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    Re: Fpv gt rspec

    Quote Originally Posted by LJCHSV View Post
    I've been following this b1tchin thread since it started(kinda good to get back to the ole LS1.com.au days) and all i have to add is...ATLEAST FPV DID SOMETHING DIFFERENT!!! In a world where we're constantly getting told by the powers that be that "no you cant do that" & " No you cant have this" FPV come out of the box & said "yes, you can have that.....from the factory!" There are pro's n cons to all cars.... HSV have looks... but you know what, looks get tiring... but that pushed back into your seat feeling NEVER gets tiring... I Remember going for my first test drive in an 04 WRX STI(Stock) & feeling that stomach pulled in feeling for the first time from a FACTORY CAR WAS EXHILARATING....Something im yet to feel from a FACTORY HSV. Good on Ford for stepping out of the vanailla box & stepping it up a bit.... im not sure about you guys... but i like my motoring like my sex, Just the one, does the lot & does it dirty..... & who cares if ford does it from a higher seating position or only in a straight line....atleast their keeping a smile on ones face once the two week "wow, look at me" phase has past.

    I still wouldnt buy one though...... NOR WOUL I BUY A HSV IN ITS PRESENT STATE EITHER..... But i know which ones giving me a hard on, when giving it a thrashing at the lights, whilst getting on the piss with the boys at my local corner pub & it doesnt start with an "H"

    kEEP UP THE ENTHUSIASM FORD...HSV WILL GET THEIR ARSE'S INTO GEAR EVENTUALLY.
    Well said Lincoln.

    Someone who gets it.

    Ps. I get the strong feeling HSV will get your money next August!

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    Re: Fpv gt rspec

    We can all carry on about why one or the other is crap or better or faster or whatever but the one thing about the whole debate that puts the Ford on top as far as I'm concerned is the fact that FPV have put everything they have into their car and built the fastest car they could but HSV has had the LSA in its corner for a while now and has yet to use it, HSV should be selling at least one model that has the best bits available to them at the time but they're not.
    Who builds the better car will be endlessly debated with no clear winner but kudos has to go to FPV for giving it everything they could.

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    Re: Fpv gt rspec

    Quote Originally Posted by planetdavo View Post
    I know you attempted to justify your "bullshit" call by saying it was aimed at the media, but the fact remains that your post only looks at cars in a very focussed manner. Personal shoppers will not be fooled when reading claims you've only aimed at the media with comments like... "These things are all about straight line. Want something that turns, buy an evo", or... "All this bullshit about better package my backside".
    People have many varied requirements in their purchase, which inevitably leads to compromise by the manufacturer to cover varied tastes. If all you care about if comparing d!ck lengths, buy the fastest car to 100 or over the quarter. If you want a track weapon, buy a car that is usually VERY uncomfortable as a daily drive. If you want a car that is comfortable on a daily basis, don't expect race car handling abilities. The list goes on.
    Note the word COMPROMISE. All cars are a compromise. Just because it's not built as a gun on a track or isn't the fastest car over a quarter doesn't mean the owner wont give it a crack around their favourite local hills and so forth and come back smiling.
    So, some "compromised" cars have more power but less comfortable driving positions and come standard with lesser performance brakes, or others might have less power but handle better than their immediate competitors and have more intimate driving positions that add to the "feel" of being as one with the car. It may not be an A grade weapon against the clock, but if it feels that way to the customer, they have ticked one of the boxes for wanting to own that car. Start comparing cars like an FPV or an HSV to an EVO, a GTR, a Porsche etc, and you start comparing VERY compromised cars. They are heavily focussed in one direction. The old apples and oranges comparison in other words...
    The "package" IS an important part of the buying decision in this type of car, and what suits one type of buyer (like yourself) may not suit others. You could have owned 10 different performance cars, but if your priorities are very different to other buyers, then your opinion is just another opinion. Just as my opinion is just an opinion if my priorities are very different to other potential buyers. Some people value the "package" very highly, even if you don't. Straight line performance is just one small factor in the car buying decision. If straight line performance is the be all and end all, well, they might grow up one day hey, but it's not unreasonable to expect "pretty good" handling with your performance, even if it doesn't threaten a focussed track car. They aren't mutually exclusive.
    Something to consider when making big statements, that's all. Currently we have two excellent packages available from FPV and HSV. One may go a bit harder but tends to receive comments that it's handling and driving position were a little behind the competition (plus looking too much like the donor car), whereas the other is a little slower in a straight line but is regarded as being the better handler and has a better driving position, even if it looks a bit OTT for some. We've never had it better in this country if you look at it in a half glass full kind of way. The "package" in either has plenty on offer within the available compromises.
    What????

    Last time I went through the not so local hills I did it with a dozen members from this forum and had a massive smile on my face. At anything up to 8/10ths the gt is average, after that it actually surprised me.

    The difference in straight line performance is far greater than the difference in handling.

    Seating position sucks but you get used to it, as you do with the massive bulge on the bonnet.

    Go and drive them. Don't attack my opinion that is based on experience when you have none yourself. And I don't mean around the block either.

    I look at cars in a very focused manner? Sure do! That why I buy cars that are built for a very focused market and purpose.

    I appreciate your comments (occasionally), but please do not comment on my experience or intentions. Stick to explaining yours.

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    Re: Fpv gt rspec

    Quote Originally Posted by bouka View Post
    What????

    Last time I went through the not so local hills I did it with a dozen members from this forum and had a massive smile on my face. At anything up to 8/10ths the gt is average, after that it actually surprised me.

    The difference in straight line performance is far greater than the difference in handling.

    Seating position sucks but you get used to it, as you do with the massive bulge on the bonnet.

    Go and drive them. Don't attack my opinion that is based on experience when you have none yourself. And I don't mean around the block either.

    I look at cars in a very focused manner? Sure do! That why I buy cars that are built for a very focused market and purpose.

    I appreciate your comments (occasionally), but please do not comment on my experience or intentions. Stick to explaining yours.


    haha ive been gone awhile and the first thing i read when i get back is u defending yourself from absolute forum destroying clowns like planetdavo and what ever the other dudes name is. OMG what a joke. How did you stay calm in your reply haha.

    On the thread topic, which happens to be the GTRspec...
    some of the new colours arnt bad..others not so good...nothing new there with a new model tho.
    I keep hearing people say that the GT is admitedly faster in a straight line but around a corner its slower then a GTS. THATS BECAUSE ALL OF THAT POWER. You give any car more and more powere and itll spin those wheels. THATS WHAT SKILLFULL DRIVING IS FOR. whats with everyone thinking unless you can drive a performance car around a corner or track full throttle its overpowering its chasis....seriously..whats with that.

    And the fact is the current Gt is allready faster around the track then the GTS. Go read any of the mag comparos from the last 2 years.
    Id love to see them around a track with skilled drivers at the wheel...id say the Gt would shave plenty of time. And anyway these are road cars and will never be pushed at anything more then 6tenths around a corner and plenty of time at 100% throttle.

    And whos the noob who earlier in this thread said the GT only had 8kws more so it was that much more powerfull anyway...hahahaah...had me pissing myself. Badges are for pencil pushers these days. The Gt will have anything north of 300-340Rwkws stock.

    Then i heard someone compalining that the GTRspec wasnt a comprehensive enough upgrade for there taste...IT NEEDED MORE POWER....hahahah....(no futher comment needed)

    Common guys i thought this forum was better than this...but the same clowns who havent even driven said cars keep bagging things that they actually know naught about.

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    Re: Fpv gt rspec

    All I can add to SUZUKI's post is.....I love my GT

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    Re: Fpv gt rspec

    Apparently wheels mag tested the rspec and the results are:

    0-100 in 4.52
    0-400m in 12.6

    It is making over 600nm in over boost according to fpv (really! Surprise, surprise).

    That is a manual done under the typical wheels conditions (2 up etc etc).

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    Re: Fpv gt rspec

    Wheels still picked the R8 over the R Spec and new 300.

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    Re: Fpv gt rspec

    Look it's pretty obvious that we are a performance car forum and thus the sheer stock grunt and ability to extract some serious numbers for next to no cash is very appealing, for the majority of the "general" public it just falls short of what they want, seriously most people that own these cars should be driving a Camry instead.

    For the majority of owners a stock supercharged engine doesn't equate to a saving of $15000 like it does to us, a skimped on; looks like an xt interior does come into play. All the way through from the VE Omega to the SSV on to the E series, model distinction and difference has been a good selling point.

    I think it's a cracking driveline but it's clearly not up to it everywhere else...... The people have spoken and it's not good for FPV.

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    Another review (in Wheels- this country's most respected and longest running media product on motoring), now with an R-spec FPV vs R8 Clubsport vs 300 SRT8.
    Clubsport (again) came out on top as the best overall package, even if the pimply faced d!ck beater comparisons of 0-100 and over the quarter didn't give it the "win" in that area.
    There's much more to a car than if it's fukkin fast in a straight line maaaaaaaaaaaaaate.
    Funny how other sources (who drive HUNDREDS of different cars rather than just letting their ego speak on internet forums) say pretty much the same thing as apparently uninformed clowns like myself say. Perhaps some of you fellas have no real clue what you are saying, as you live in modified fantasy land, not new car market reality land.
    Last edited by planetdavo; 16-09-2012 at 07:48 AM.

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    Fpv gt rspec

    Quote Originally Posted by planetdavo View Post
    Another review (in Wheels- this country's most respected and longest running media product on motoring)
    Most respected...... ROFL!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by C4B View Post
    Most respected...... ROFL!!!!!
    How true

    I wouldn't believe a mag but they are good reading for a laugh

    People go get the card and drive them for a few days
    I value a lot of the comments on here from people I know and would take that over a mag anyday, but I would still do a
    Drive myself for personal satisfaction that I am buying the correct beast

    Now if I could only get the wife to look at the GTE


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    Under a bonnet listening for knock with my earmuffs on

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    Re: Fpv gt rspec

    Quote Originally Posted by planetdavo View Post
    Another review (in Wheels- this country's most respected and longest running media product on motoring), now with an R-spec FPV vs R8 Clubsport vs 300 SRT8.
    Clubsport (again) came out on top as the best overall package, even if the pimply faced d!ck beater comparisons of 0-100 and over the quarter didn't give it the "win" in that area.
    There's much more to a car than if it's fukkin fast in a straight line maaaaaaaaaaaaaate.
    Funny how other sources (who drive HUNDREDS of different cars rather than just letting their ego speak on internet forums) say pretty much the same thing as apparently uninformed clowns like myself say. Perhaps some of you fellas have no real clue what you are saying, as you live in modified fantasy land, not new car market reality land.
    Why don't you explain this "new car market reality" to us pimply faced dick beaters dave.

    And while you're at it, explain why the performance car industry and the mags have always gone to great lengths to compare and publish straight line performance.

    No real clue? Modified fantasy land? This is not the captiva forum!

    Lay off the name calling while doing it, if you can.

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    Re: Fpv gt rspec

    Quote Originally Posted by planetdavo View Post
    Another review (in Wheels- this country's most respected and longest running media product on motoring), now with an R-spec FPV vs R8 Clubsport vs 300 SRT8.
    Clubsport (again) came out on top as the best overall package, even if the pimply faced d!ck beater comparisons of 0-100 and over the quarter didn't give it the "win" in that area.
    There's much more to a car than if it's fukkin fast in a straight line maaaaaaaaaaaaaate.
    Funny how other sources (who drive HUNDREDS of different cars rather than just letting their ego speak on internet forums) say pretty much the same thing as apparently uninformed clowns like myself say. Perhaps some of you fellas have no real clue what you are saying, as you live in modified fantasy land, not new car market reality land.
    These are the apparent results, taken from Fordforums about the Wheels comparison:

    Wheels Results
    Performance R Spec > SRT8 > R8
    Handling R Spec > R8 > SRT8
    Technology and Equipment SRT8 > R8 > R Spec
    Engine and Driveline R Spec > SRT8 > R8

    So the R Spec won in everything but gadgets in the cabin, but the R8 was the better car? Laughable results. So I guess you still feel it is a better package because it has nice buttons?

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    Sorry, been off having a life the last day and a half. What did I miss?
    Ok, I've caught up. A minority are having a crack at Davo, so nothing's changed on here.
    And, some people think they know more than professional people without any vested interests, so nothing's changed on that one either.


    Who would have guessed hey…a few enthusiasts, a group of people often known to have, ummm, very highly developed and easily damaged ego’s, know far more than professional motoring critics that compare hundreds of different cars every year. The fact they compare new cars from a new car buyer perspective but with best efforts to remove bias from the equation, rather than from a modified/aftermarket perspective, a preconceived outcome perspective or a high bias starting point, clearly isn’t a high priority to some...
    Anyway, opinions are like @rseholes…everybody’s got one. Some are right, and some are wrong.
    For those that have quoted stuff relating to the Wheels story to rebuke my comments, go and read the whole story. They actually say that the FPV R Spec feels “aftermarket”. Perfect for some of you fellas perhaps, but hardly what the majority of new car buyers look for when handing over 70K or so. The HSV certainly didn't "win" every category, but it was judged good enough in enough areas to be the best overall product in comparison.
    I’ve said many times that both cars represent excellent value, and I’ve also said many times that the HSV’s represent a better overall package- something certain people have struggled to accept. FPV’s powerful engine continues to lead to an underwhelming sales conversion. Start asking yourself why, rather than attacking the people that raise points about why this is so.
    If you want to continue believing that just being fast in a straight line is the be all and end all to most people, well, that’s your choice and you will no doubt be happy with the FPV. Just as it’s your choice to believe that you know far, far more than people who critique hundreds of new cars on a yearly basis…

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    Re: Fpv gt rspec

    Quote Originally Posted by planetdavo View Post
    And, some people think they know more than professional people without any vested interests...
    A motoring journalist that falls into the category of "professional without any vested interests".

    Classic Stuff!

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