VE SSV handling over standard SS and older Ls1 models

[Angeldust]

actually, i would love to see some lap times for a comparison off the following:

VS GTS 215i 6sp vs VT II GTS 300 6sp vs VZ ls2 Clubbie 6sp vs VE ls2 clubbie 6sp vs W427 (lol)

[macca_779]

VE would destroy the equivalent VZ around the track, lighter or not!

Maybe an Exec vs an Omega. Say a GTS vs a GTS, weight reins supreme and is the single most important factor if you want to go quick. Everything else is incremental and just hides weight be it power, tyre, brakes, suspension. Reduce weight and you improve everything. The VE does very well for how big it is no question there. But if you were to go to town on both a VZ and a VE for a track car with the associated ~200kg difference. The VZ would MUNT it.

[macca_779]

actually, i would love to see some lap times for a comparison off the following:

VS GTS 215i 6sp vs VT II GTS 300 6sp vs VZ ls2 Clubbie 6sp vs VE ls2 clubbie 6sp vs W427 (lol)

W427 for sure in that comparison. Its not a equal comparison of chassis alone by a long shot

[whitels1ss]

Maybe an Exec vs an Omega. Say a GTS vs a GTS, weight reins supreme and is the single most important factor if you want to go quick. Everything else is incremental and just hides weight be it power, tyre, brakes, suspension. Reduce weight and you improve everything. The VE does very well for how big it is no question there. But if you were to go to town on both a VZ and a VE for a track car with the associated ~200kg difference. The VZ would MUNT it.

Absolutely correct

[VR304]

Interesting link this one https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...QNnlHS1E#gid=0

Contains some Motor Mag laptimes at Wakefield

1-Sep-2009 Holden HSV W427 69.30 1:09.30 Warren Luff Dry
1-Nov-2008 Holden HSV GTS 70.20 1:10.20 Warren Luff Dry
1-Sep-2008 Holden HSV Clubsport R8 70.30 1:10.30 Warren Luff Dry
1-Sep-2005 Holden HSV Clubsport DTS 70.69 1:10.69 Rick Bates Dry
1-Sep-2007 Holden HSV Clubsport R8 70.69 1:10.69 Warren Luff Dry
1-Jul-2007 Holden HSV Clubsport R8 71.50 1:11.50 Warren Luff Drying
1-Jul-2009 Holden HSV Grange 71.50 1:11.50 Warren Luff Dry
1-Oct-2003 Holden HSV GTS Coupe 71.81 1:11.81 Rick Bates Dry
1-Sep-2004 Holden HSV GTS 72.16 1:12.16 Rick Bates Dry

Diffferent days, conditions, and drivers, so make of it what you will. To me, the E Series and Z Series DTS look on par ...

[BLU50L]

I just bought a new ss z series which is now the standard ss and it came with 19" wheels as standard. Paid an extra 2k for leather though.

[Micks]

I have both a MY06 VZ & MY10 VE. The VZ has aftermarket suspension & goes where you point it! The VE std FE2.5 is different but it does grow on you, won't say the VE's are light years ahead Nor a better Chassis @ all!!! All depends on how much $$$ your prepared to throw @ them & how well or not you want them to handle!!!

[evil_ss]

Here is an unbiased view of vz vs ve which I like
http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f...dore-ss-57758/

[Micks]

Here is an unbiased view of vz vs ve which I like
http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f...dore-ss-57758/

An early VZ04 is no comparison!!!

[Plenty]

Interesting link this one https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...QNnlHS1E#gid=0

Contains some Motor Mag laptimes at Wakefield

1-Sep-2009 Holden HSV W427 69.30 1:09.30 Warren Luff Dry
1-Nov-2008 Holden HSV GTS 70.20 1:10.20 Warren Luff Dry
1-Sep-2008 Holden HSV Clubsport R8 70.30 1:10.30 Warren Luff Dry
1-Sep-2005 Holden HSV Clubsport DTS 70.69 1:10.69 Rick Bates Dry
1-Sep-2007 Holden HSV Clubsport R8 70.69 1:10.69 Warren Luff Dry
1-Jul-2007 Holden HSV Clubsport R8 71.50 1:11.50 Warren Luff Drying
1-Jul-2009 Holden HSV Grange 71.50 1:11.50 Warren Luff Dry
1-Oct-2003 Holden HSV GTS Coupe 71.81 1:11.81 Rick Bates Dry
1-Sep-2004 Holden HSV GTS 72.16 1:12.16 Rick Bates Dry

Diffferent days, conditions, and drivers, so make of it what you will. To me, the E Series and Z Series DTS look on par ...

Lets not forget though that the VZ DTS is also a "track" special, retuned spings and damper rates, semi-slick tyres and also more negative camber to increase contact.

The VE chassis is far superior to the VZ nearly 50:50 weight distribution and a body that is 50% stiffer than the VZ was. Much shorter front and rear overhangs reducing weight past the axle lines.

VE front suspension a double pivot Mcpherson strut vs the VZ simple Mcpherson strut, VE rear suspension is a 4-link independent rear vs the VZ's much loathed semi-trailing arm.

The VE also achieved a world class 55 hertz in torsional rigidity which not even the Euros could match at the time.
On a side note i've owned both and spent track time in both as standard cars, i know which one is quicker around the track and it doesn't end in 'Z'.

[Micks]

Lets not forget though that the VZ DTS is also a "track" special, retuned spings and damper rates, semi-slick tyres and also more negative camber to increase contact.

The VE chassis is far superior to the VZ nearly 50:50 weight distribution and a body that is 50% stiffer than the VZ was. Much shorter front and rear overhangs reducing weight past the axle lines.

VE front suspension a double pivot Mcpherson strut vs the VZ simple Mcpherson strut, VE rear suspension is a 4-link independent rear vs the VZ's much loathed semi-trailing arm.

The VE also achieved a world class 55 hertz in torsional rigidity which not even the Euros could match at the time.
On a side note i've owned both and spent track time in both as standard cars, i know which one is quicker around the track and it doesn't end in 'Z'.

Either model on factory suspension regardless of the "technology" is pretty ordinary in stock form!

[Angeldust]

Lets not forget though that the VZ DTS is also a "track" special, retuned spings and damper rates, semi-slick tyres and also more negative camber to increase contact.

The VE chassis is far superior to the VZ nearly 50:50 weight distribution and a body that is 50% stiffer than the VZ was. Much shorter front and rear overhangs reducing weight past the axle lines.

VE front suspension a double pivot Mcpherson strut vs the VZ simple Mcpherson strut, VE rear suspension is a 4-link independent rear vs the VZ's much loathed semi-trailing arm.

The VE also achieved a world class 55 hertz in torsional rigidity which not even the Euros could match at the time.
On a side note i've owned both and spent track time in both as standard cars, i know which one is quicker around the track and it doesn't end in 'Z'.

but since there was no 'GTS' model in the VZ range, those clubbies ie HDT, HRT and HSVDT and the SV6000 are in a way the equivalents of the GTS model (that was
was always a limited run till the VE....(can of worms lol)).

[Angeldust]

Interesting link this one https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...QNnlHS1E#gid=0

Contains some Motor Mag laptimes at Wakefield

......
Diffferent days, conditions, and drivers, so make of it what you will. To me, the E Series and Z Series DTS look on par ...

is the 2008 VE the one with the ls3?

[Hos]

Holden VE's have only had L98, L76 and L77 in v8 guise.

HSV E series have had LS2/LS3 as far as I know. Happy to be corrected.


Hos

[Wonky]

Holden VE's have only had L98, L76 and L77 in v8 guise.

HSV E series have had LS2/LS3 as far as I know. Happy to be corrected.


Hos

HSV went to LS3 from LS2 in around May 2008.