VF SS and SSV to have 6.2ltr

[zacaxel1975]

Your source is mostly right.

100k will be for GTS. Will be worth every cent too. As quick as rspec gt in straight line rumour has it.

The rest of the range should be priced similar to current.

Which part did he get wrong? Is it not LSA but something better?

[bouka]

Which part did he get wrong? Is it not LSA but something better?

I did say mostly. Lsa is as good as it gets for us and that is a very good thing.

Ls3 yes. Current spec 325, no.

Lt1? Hopefully but not for a while.

[zacaxel1975]

I did say mostly. Lsa is as good as it gets for us and that is a very good thing.

Ls3 yes. Current spec 325, no.

Lt1? Hopefully but not for a while.

Cool cool. Due to swap car in Nov and a LSA HSV @ about the 100k mark is bang on.
Can't wait to see what they look like. I would probably prefer a barge or Senator with LSA but will still be happy to punt a GTS for three years.

Do you know when they will be revealed? I guess HSV is not under the same pressure to get them out that Holden was?

[JJW501]

This p's me off.

Cost of putting LS3 at manufacturing level would be a couple of hundred bucks.

If VF had a drivetrain upgrade I would seriously consider buying one but now I will not and in 12 months time Holden will be whinging about lacklustre sales figures.
...so the inevitable LS3 will come but by then they will be behind with something else.....chasing their tail!
JJW

[zacaxel1975]

This p's me off.

Cost of putting LS3 at manufacturing level would be a couple of hundred bucks.

If VF had a drivetrain upgrade I would seriously consider buying one but now I will not and in 12 months time Holden will be whinging about lacklustre sales figures.
...so the inevitable LS3 will come but by then they will be behind with something else.....chasing their tail!
JJW

I agree, a LS3 SS or Calais would be great but the resale on VE would suffer and that wouldn't leave anything up their sleeve for a mid model refresh in 18 months time. Now there is a reason for people to upgrade, to get the new look and interior, and a driveline upgrade in 18 months could get others to upgrade for the new motors.
We may not like it, but I don't think the strategy is entirely without merit?

[bouka]

Cool cool. Due to swap car in Nov and a LSA HSV @ about the 100k mark is bang on.
Can't wait to see what they look like. I would probably prefer a barge or Senator with LSA but will still be happy to punt a GTS for three years.

Do you know when they will be revealed? I guess HSV is not under the same pressure to get them out that Holden was?

Hmmmm, November. May have to get in earlier.

Lsa senator won't happen. I asked, begged and pleaded with cheque book open.

I anticipate a may/June launch.

[zacaxel1975]

Hmmmm, November. May have to get in earlier.

Lsa senator won't happen. I asked, begged and pleaded with cheque book open.

I anticipate a may/June launch.

Limited run hey? Is launch may/June when they will be shown or available to buy? I guess limited run would make them pretty hot and you would need to be ready to go. Might have to see if the payout figure on the current car is close enough to the residual for me to flip it early.

[bouka]

Limited run hey? Is launch may/June when they will be shown or available to buy? I guess limited run would make them pretty hot and you would need to be ready to go. Might have to see if the payout figure on the current car is close enough to the residual for me to flip it early.

Hopefully available June, most models anyway.

This is all just guess work and speculation on my behalf, of course.

[JJW501]

I agree, a LS3 SS or Calais would be great but the resale on VE would suffer and that wouldn't leave anything up their sleeve for a mid model refresh in 18 months time. Now there is a reason for people to upgrade, to get the new look and interior, and a driveline upgrade in 18 months could get others to upgrade for the new motors.
We may not like it, but I don't think the strategy is entirely without merit?

I can see why they do it, but I think the strategy - like most - has some flaws;

First of all, Falcon and Commodore are losing sales FAST! They need a BIG kick up the ass to get buyer's attention. FPV introduced the SC coyote but only in a premium price bracket. Pushed a lot of people away (Yes I would have bought one in XR8 configuration. Purchase price is not a big problem, but insurance and servicing on anything HSV or FPV is outrageous).

Second - The LS3 can be upgraded to more power in the future anyway. 325kw is hardly pushing the boundaries of science and engineering. The associated expense with stronger clutches etc is minimal too when compared to what we pay as an aftermarket upgrade. In fact I would happily pay a few grand more at purchase point for a performance pack that was EPA compliant.

Third - By the time we get the LS3, Holden will still be behind the competition in other areas.

Fourth - the HSV thing seems to be holding holden back. Make a cheap muscle car and it will sell by the 10's of thousands. The whole idea that we can't upgrade the SS because it will be more powerful than a HSV just screams "We could do better but won't!" Let's face it, you can buy some nice cars for HSV money. A lot of folks have a better half involved in the purchase and get pushed to a 6 cylinder euro car. Case in point, mate with GT-P bought Audi A5 coz his woman thought Ford was too bogan. And she has a point. But bogans buy cars, why not embrace that and make a car they want rather than have them thinking they can drive one that's 6 years old and lightly modified for better performance? The latest should be the greatest.

JJW

[Plenty]

Your source is mostly right.

100k will be for GTS. Will be worth every cent too. As quick as rspec gt in straight line rumour has it.

The rest of the range should be priced similar to current.

For a 100k and an extra 80kw on paper it'd wanna be a damn site quicker than the GT R-spec.

[macca_779]

For a 100k and an extra 80kw on paper it'd wanna be a damn site quicker than the GT R-spec.

It won't be as quick as a 55k GS with a tune only though.

[Plenty]

It won't be as quick as a 55k GS with a tune only though.

Straight line grunt aside, there's no comparison though is there? The gs is one bland boring car, get out of the gs and into the VE and the VE is so much more comfortable. But anyway, hopefully this gts is a cracker.

[701let]

It won't be as quick as a 55k GS with a tune only though.

You need to buy one.

[steve_t]

Ls3 yes. Current spec 325, no.

Factory cam? 337 sounds good

[Stampy]

Factory cam? 337 sounds good

337 at the crank is not the same as the 335 puting out 315-330 ATW, HSV need to get it smoking with 380 at the crank, whats a 317 put out 250-260 ATW???