VF SS and SSV to have 6.2ltr

[team illucid]

I say my HSV is a better built vehicle than my wife's Audi - at about 1/3rd the cost.

[Wonky]

I say my HSV is a better built vehicle than my wife's Audi - at about 1/3rd the cost.

That's not something you'd hear every day!!

[macca_779]

I say my HSV is a better built vehicle than my wife's Audi - at about 1/3rd the cost.

That's cool. But just because you say it, doesn't mean it's correct. What model cars are we talking here anyway

[dogsballs]

Just recently I test drove a new c63 coupe, and maybe I was expecting too much but I was left disappointed ,perhaps the refinement hid the feeling of real performance but It didn't have the grunt I expected,other than for the snob value there is no way I would pay the difference between it and a new HSV,it really amazes me when folks knock our local cars , they deserve much better

i've never laughed sooo hard in my life!!

[mac06]

I say my HSV is a better built vehicle than my wife's Audi - at about 1/3rd the cost.

Interesting you say that. It agrees with what JD Power came up with in their 2013 dependability study in the US. Not Australia I know, but the same should apply.

Audi, Volvo, VW, Jag all rate worse than Ford and Chev. The graph is near the bottom of their page.

http://www.jdpower.com/content/press...lity-study.htm

[planetdavo]

It's a sad fact of life just how many aussie car industry haters exist. Most countries would be proud of our capabilities, yet they still line up.
Audi, like all Volkswagen Audi Group cars, have a well known reputation for issues inside and outside of warranty. A nice shut line on the dash or a nice soft touch dash finish on an Audi doesn't actually make it a "better built" car. It more likely means simply that more money has been spent on touchy feely rather than engineering reliability into the car...

[JJW501]

It's a sad fact of life just how many aussie car industry haters exist. Most countries would be proud of our capabilities, yet they still line up.
Audi, like all Volkswagen Audi Group cars, have a well known reputation for issues inside and outside of warranty. A nice shut line on the dash or a nice soft touch dash finish on an Audi doesn't actually make it a "better built" car. It more likely means simply that more money has been spent on touchy feely rather than engineering reliability into the car...

I am an Aussie car supporter. I have only ever owned Falcon and Commodore utes. Each one has been better than the last. I will buy another next, not a VF until the drivetrain upgrade. Only 65,000km on the current one so no rush at the moment.

But the fact is the majority of new car buyers are trending away from Aussie cars. There are multiple reasons - fuel consumption, bogan factor, size etc. But the killer for me is profiteering on the luxury models. Holden and Ford need to do something to get the buyers back. Right now money is tight in the economy, economy and price would be a great place to start. It would seem that Holden and Ford are losing traditional government vehicle contracts for more fuel efficient vehicles. Why we don't have VCT V6 and the latest offerings from GM astounds me. I applaud the weight savings on VF, they have een getting heavier and thirstier for so long.

One of my sisters has 2 kids and recently bought a Freelander 2. She paid big money for it. I thought it was too small and too much money. 3 months in and they bought a cargo container that swings on the rear tail gate because she couldn't fit enough in the tiny boot space. She should have bought a Sportswagon.

My other sister has 3 kids and drives a diesl VW Passat. It is a piece of crap. Consumes oil 1L/1000kms, has had turbo failures, left her stranded more than once etc. She should be driving a sportswagon too but won't have it because she thinks she's a bit too classy for that, and doesn't like driving big cars. There are enough dings in the Passat to understand that.

Holden has an image problem with this market. And it's a big sector. One thing I will agree with Davo is that the knockers generally have no idea about cars, but they do buy. Even in the face of them being unpractical and unreliable, they still buy them. If holden can crack this thinking they might have a future.

In the meantime I will wait for the next generation drivetrain.

JJW

[jaykay]

Interesting you say that. It agrees with what JD Power came up with in their 2013 dependability study in the US. Not Australia I know, but the same should apply.

Audi, Volvo, VW, Jag all rate worse than Ford and Chev. The graph is near the bottom of their page.

http://www.jdpower.com/content/press...lity-study.htm

Interesting to see Porsche @ No. 2.....

[sjhugh]

perhaps the refinement hid the feeling of real performance but It didn't have the grunt I expected,

Next time ask the salesperson if it would be ok to take that C63 for a run outside the dealer's carpark.



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[steve_t]

Next time ask the salesperson if it would be ok to take that C63 for a run outside the dealer's carpark.



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But 360kW, 600Nm. 0-100 in 4.4 seconds should feel gruntier than a Holden... oh wait

[JimmyXR6T04]

I'm due for a new car in March 2014, so depending on what happens with holden/hsv and their engines, will depend which way i sway. So far, i love the luxury of the caprice, and the gadgets etc... But i'm leaning towards the outright grunt of the GT. The wife would prefer me to get a holden/hsv due to the interior upgrades and various bits of technology associated with the VF... It's a tough call for me. The wife has said she'll be happy with a VF SS sportwagon, so maybe i'll go the grunt of a tuned GS for my sheer power fix... If she decides to keep her current car though, i'll be in a world of bother trying to pick my next car...

[Hos]

That's cool. But just because you say it, doesn't mean it's correct. What model cars are we talking here anyway

Pretty sure the HSV is a Tourer wagon. Not sure on the Audi.

Speaking of Aus built vs Euro, when I bought my SSV wagon in 2010, my in laws bought another BMW 3 series, mid range model with 'M' bits at the same time. I reckon the wagon is much nicer, user friendly in terms of dash controls etc. Yesterday on the trip home from Adelaide, my mother in law drove the wagon for a couple of hours and loved it. She reckons its much nicer than her 2010 BMW, easier to drive, sits on the road really well. Has her wondering what her next purchase will be.

On the other hand, the turbo 3 series they bought late last year is a great drive. Goes like a shower of sh1t and is the first of their euro cars I have actually liked. I still find the Euro seats too tight for a 6ft tall person.

For the money, Holden's are doing well. I just hope they don't price the VF too high, and that some of the drive train and power plant upgrades follow soon to keep the punters interested.

Cheers,

Hos

[gmeup]

yep ok, i wouldn't know any better

i'm sure i read somewhere a while ago though that they made a specific "taxi" model for cost effectiveness etc.

Wheather they are a special taxi pack or showroom models, they are the base model they use, usually 4 cylinder diesels and have **** all specs compared to the e class they import to AU.

[jaykay]

6.0 Litre for VF SSV

http://www.caradvice.com.au/215006/h...-v8-commodore/

[Micks]

Just recently I test drove a new c63 coupe, and maybe I was expecting too much but I was left disappointed ,perhaps the refinement hid the feeling of real performance but It didn't have the grunt I expected,other than for the snob value there is no way I would pay the difference between it and a new HSV,it really amazes me when folks knock our local cars , they deserve much better

You musta test drove a "Friday" built one even stock form still better than anything I would equate! Give it an exhaust and tune !