VF Electric Handbrake Warning

[IJ.]

Burst a Rubber line on the front of my Adventra about 6 months ago, no damage no sign of anything wrapped around it just let go pulling into the GF's driveway, while rare failures do happen.

[Toddler78]

Don't know how many people have pulled the hand brake on whilst in motion on a modern car like a vt/xy/z? I have and at speed, it is either off or on (rears locked) and unless the button is still depressed those babies are staying locked. From my understanding of the push button from this thread whilst yes the button location may not be in the ideal location it is not going to lock the rears at speed like a cable brake will do.

To me = safer

[planetdavo]

I agree, a small electrial switch is much easier to accidently operate than a lever that requires some actual force. People that carry on about being in control of the motor vehicle, kid shouldn't touch this or that, etc. need to get over the holden can do no wrong attitude and accpet a fault with the product where one clearly exists. I'm not saying the the whole electric handbrake concept is a failure but perhaps the software or switch design wasn't well enough thought out.
Also on the part of an emergency brake, a hand brake lever allows the user to modulate brake operation, an on/off switch doesn't so in that regard the old style hand brake is far superior.

Clearly aimed the part about "Holden can do no wrong" at myself, but you are still wrong.
I'm not at all saying Holden can do no wrong. Of course they can, and do, from time to time. Like any company can, and does. I'm just defending a subject that really shouldn't have come up to begin with. As others have since described, a manual handbrake lever is FAR more dangerous than this EPB.
Rarely will something ever suit 100% of the population, but the way this has been programmed is pretty damn "safe"- once people grasp the way it operates (which I posted way back earlier so people would understand). Perhaps people are rather more resistant to change than there being an actual inherent "issue"...
Just a thought.

[IJ.]

Maybe people don't like being condescended to....

Just a thought.

[planetdavo]

Maybe people don't like being condescended to....

Just a thought.

That's your opinion, just as I'm entitled to have an opinion too. If people can't handle the answers given sometimes, well, we're all adults right...

[Xjas]

Clearly aimed the part about "Holden can do no wrong" at myself, but you are still wrong.

Davo, my post was not aimed directly at you, it was a general comment, If I was addressing you directly I would have used your name as I have in this post.

As for the manual hand brake being far more dangerous than the EPB, there are are two people in this thread who've said they have accidently applied the EPB when they didnt intend to, I could be wrong but I dont recall any threads where some claimed they'd accidently applied their VT-VE manual parking brake while driving.
Feel free to explain why the VF EPB safer than the manual handbrake in a VT-VE.

[Vulture]

Action- Lift and hold switch for several seconds

Yep, this is the problem when combined with the placement of the electric park brake is it is exactly what we are used to doing to get the electric window to come up.
I like Cobalt's suggestion for software changes and I wouldn't be surprised if Holden do something like this in a software update.
It wouldn't be an issue if our previous cars had the window switches on the door rather than the center console but knowing this was the case, thorough engineering should really have predicted this would be a common error for drivers of previous Commodores - willing to bet the development staff even did it themselves.

[csv rulz]

I have a car with an electric handbrake that is in the same position as a vf. Never had an issue with accidentally putting it on. Maybe people need to familiarize themselves with the car they are driving before taking off. Lesson 101 in driving.

If you ask me its the same old story of people trying to blame others for their own stupidity.

For a Holden based forum some people sure seem to put a lot of time in trying to find what they consider a fault and then try to push that opinion on others.

My understanding of the electric handbrake is if pulled on and held on at speed it won't lock the rear wheels but will slow the car as quickly as possible. Seems pretty safe to me.

[planetdavo]

I have a car with an electric handbrake that is in the same position as a vf. Never had an issue with accidentally putting it on. Maybe people need to familiarize themselves with the car they are driving before taking off. Lesson 101 in driving.

If you ask me its the same old story of people trying to blame others for their own stupidity.

For a Holden based forum some people sure seem to put a lot of time in trying to find what they consider a fault and then try to push that opinion on others.

My understanding of the electric handbrake is if pulled on and held on at speed it won't lock the rear wheels but will slow the car as quickly as possible. Seems pretty safe to me.

Exactly....well said.

[XUV]

I can imagine this being the same convo for the Torana/Sunbird foot operated handbrake, had the internet existed back then .....

" I went to push the clutch and hit the handbrake instead "


"what type of person lifts his leg up that high to clutch "


"you know kids they hide in the footwell" .........
how did we grieve our differences back then

[planetdavo]

Yep, this is the problem when combined with the placement of the electric park brake is it is exactly what we are used to doing to get the electric window to come up.
I like Cobalt's suggestion for software changes and I wouldn't be surprised if Holden do something like this in a software update.
It wouldn't be an issue if our previous cars had the window switches on the door rather than the center console but knowing this was the case, thorough engineering should really have predicted this would be a common error for drivers of previous Commodores - willing to bet the development staff even did it themselves.

Most cars DON'T have console window switches. Seems to be a tiny percentage of previous Commodore owners struggling with this.
Honestly, what do you suggest is better? Remember that this handbrake is required to operate in an emergency without having to consult the owners manual to figure out how to do it...

[GTS LSA]

Have to admit, I am not worried about it at all, my last 2 cars have had the window controls on the door and only took about 3 days for muscle memory to kick in

I am also anal about safety, so I would have and still will read the instructions, but the new system seems pretty good to me, wonder if it will be good on a skid pan

[Plenty]

Yep, this is the problem when combined with the placement of the electric park brake is it is exactly what we are used to doing to get the electric window to come up.
I like Cobalt's suggestion for software changes and I wouldn't be surprised if Holden do something like this in a software update.
It wouldn't be an issue if our previous cars had the window switches on the door rather than the center console but knowing this was the case, thorough engineering should really have predicted this would be a common error for drivers of previous Commodores - willing to bet the development staff even did it themselves.

Who cares, adapt to the change or stay in the dark ages. It's not even close to the same position! This is just a case of someone not familiarising themselves with a product prior to using it.

[jaykay]

The only issue I have getting used to the EPB is whether I need to push it or lift it up to activate it ..then I just think of how the old lever handbrake worked....

Never once got confused with it being something else...

[planetdavo]

Davo, my post was not aimed directly at you, it was a general comment, If I was addressing you directly I would have used your name as I have in this post.

As for the manual hand brake being far more dangerous than the EPB, there are are two people in this thread who've said they have accidently applied the EPB when they didnt intend to, I could be wrong but I dont recall any threads where some claimed they'd accidently applied their VT-VE manual parking brake while driving.
Feel free to explain why the VF EPB safer than the manual handbrake in a VT-VE.

Pretty, ummm, "interesting" wording you chose if you wasn't aimed at me!
I've already said why it's "safer" than a manual handbrake, as have others. An EPB in VF WILL NOT lock the rear wheels until close to stopping, whereas pulling the manual handbrake on at any speed risks spitting you off into the scenery...