Looking back, was the VT Commodore better than the AU falcon

[Solone]

Some dilushional people are trying to flog off those AU t series cars for $35k + on carsales. i know they never sell but geeezz..

I dont see them any better than a VT2 Clubsport? $10-15k

[Marco]

LOL what?

People need to understand this about the value of older cars. The cars that eventually become valuable are those that were (1) rare and desired when new (demand > supply); or (2) popular when new but rare now and desired for sentimental reasons.

So for instance: a Monaro GTS 350 or Falcon GTHO fits into category (1), a nice EH wagon or VW Kombi would fit into category (2).

Let's look at the AU T-series cars, shall we? They were uncommon new, but not desired - they were uncommon because they didn't sell any. So they won't go into (1). What about (2)? No, they were not popular new and there isn't much history attached so nobody is going to say "wow, I always wanted one of those and now I can finally afford to buy one".

My prediction is that these things will never do much better than a few grand more than the equivalent year's XR8, and with Ford fading away to insignificance in Australia there isn't even going to be a future generation of Ford fans that will go searching for them. (Seriously, I predict that the general level of interest in Ford's products in Australia will end up being somewhere behind the Koreans and perhaps a little ahead of the lower-volume Euro brands like Peugeot. By the end of the decade I'd expect to see them in the lower half of the top 10 selling brands in Australia).

[Jag530G]

My prediction is that these things will never do much better than a few grand more than the equivalent year's XR8, and with Ford fading away to insignificance in Australia there isn't even going to be a future generation of Ford fans that will go searching for them. (Seriously, I predict that the general level of interest in Ford's products in Australia will end up being somewhere behind the Koreans and perhaps a little ahead of the lower-volume Euro brands like Peugeot. By the end of the decade I'd expect to see them in the lower half of the top 10 selling brands in Australia).

A few grand more? You're being way to generous!!! Another thing that will kill their value is the massive spike in power outputs in the last ten years. Who's going to excited by a 200-220kW AU Tickford Falcon these days? A 200kW Toyota Aurion could probably beat it in a drag race. We LS lovers are lucky that is pretty easy and cheap to tune up a VT/VX 220kW LS1 to 300+ flywheel kWs, which still fairly competitive these days.

Cheers, Matthew

[Solone]

http://www.carsales.com.au/private/d.../?Cr=0&sdmvc=1

Could you pay more than $15k for this? (assuming its immaculate)

Its no better than a HSV VX clubsport 255kw which could be had for $15k. Arguably the VX HSV was one of the nicest looking HSV cars made. Outsold the ford tickford t series 3-1 and in its day, the HSV considered faster and a better drive. HSV Also has more potential if thinking about modifications.

[IJ.]

Why do you care so much.... seriously it's a Fugly PoS loosely based on the Taurus melted blob of plastic, also a failure...

Poor build quality and not terribly reliable so fails on all counts

Hardly worth 1 page of discussion let alone 3.....

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As much as I'm sure the AU's are a collectors item (on some planet far far away!) I think I'll stick with my VTII for now.....

[Marco]

Why do you care so much.... seriously it's a Fugly PoS loosely based on the Taurus melted blob of plastic, also a failure...

Poor build quality and not terribly reliable so fails on all counts

Hardly worth 1 page of discussion let alone 3.....

You're right...sorry, we'll go back to not talking about anything at all, which seems to be the way this forum is going these days.

[El Narros]

http://www.carsales.com.au/private/d.../?Cr=0&sdmvc=1

Could you pay more than $15k for this? (assuming its immaculate)

Its no better than a HSV VX clubsport 255kw which could be had for $15k. Arguably the VX HSV was one of the nicest looking HSV cars made. Outsold the ford tickford t series 3-1 and in its day, the HSV considered faster and a better drive. HSV Also has more potential if thinking about modifications.

this link has made my day, this dude seems deadly serious too.

[iloveholden]

The VT Commodore and the AU Falcon came out around when I was 11 or 12 years old and it certainly cemented my loyalty to the Holden Brand as I grew up wanting my license! The AU Falcon was a terrible car to look at, be in and drive. The VT commodore, was such a nice car for the time. I remember walking into my mates garage and seeing his VT GTS, brand new in blue with the silver accents on the skirts...I thought it was the best looking car i'd seen and still looks good today imo (although he sold years back).

Some of the above VT examples are very nice!

[IJ.]

You're right...sorry, we'll go back to not talking about anything at all, which seems to be the way this forum is going these days.

Sorry Marco, didn't realise the forum had gotten quite that bad that it all hinged on offtopic discussions about Fords...

I've tried posting "interesting" threads but there's minimal to no input in them just plenty of readers, gets a bit tedious when you're the only poster..

And to get back somewhat on topic, the VT is one of the prettiest cars of it's era, the Falcon one of the Ugliest, it "might" have saved itself if it had been well built or reliable, it was neither.

[A^K^T]

Not sure about the AU but the 1998 VT I had that now belongs to a friend has been and continues to be a good and reliable car , it has over 280,000km on it , still runs well and the things that have needed to be fixed have been simple and fairly cheap to fix.
As far as I know the motor has never been opened , just a power steering pump and a few cooling system bits have been replaced.
Wish I had kept it instead of buying the Focus , I am now back in my 10 year old VY tonner and can't see any reason to sell it.

[macca_779]

http://www.carsales.com.au/private/d.../?Cr=0&sdmvc=1

Could you pay more than $15k for this? (assuming its immaculate)

Its no better than a HSV VX clubsport 255kw which could be had for $15k. Arguably the VX HSV was one of the nicest looking HSV cars made. Outsold the ford tickford t series 3-1 and in its day, the HSV considered faster and a better drive. HSV Also has more potential if thinking about modifications.

Considering a mate at work just picked up a BA GT-P for 18k.. No you wouldn't think so. Die hards like them though so they fetch a pretty penny. Plenty of HSV's in the same boat. VS GTS-R. It's nothing special really. No pedigree, nothing over a normal GTS to write home about. But still they command a premium if you really want one.

[seedyrom]

You guys are friggen idiots.
Are you forgetting the most beautiful piece of craftsmanship ever created?










THE DOUBLE WING!!!!

[Marco]

All good mate, I think we're both frustrated by the same thing about this forum lately.

[Solone]

Lol at double wing...Ford really had their heads in the sand during this period.

Tickford dealers were trying to flog off the 220kw ts50 for $65k large and wondered why they couldn't move them??? Scratching their heads??

Then to look over the fence in the Holden yard to find a VT2 exec ls1 with 220kw for $32990. Lol. Plus the VT2 ls1 would run away from it and looked way better .