ZB Commodore sales

[A^K^T]

I have seen one ZB so far , only realized what it was because i was behind it and saw the badges.

[CLUBRED]

Haven't seen one yet. I have driven the 2T, I didn't mind it but the car itself was the LT and boring as bat shit, we need the GSi spec every other country seem the get. The tunes seem to get around +25% (probably why they didn't give us the GSi), and you get wooshy pssht noises <- with the windows down

I follow my local dealer's socials and they've only posted 1 delivery photo with the ZB. When I was there last there was a few in PD, and a few in holding yard.

[jc_sv8]

Saw it's competitor on the road the other day for the first time.
White Kia Stinger GT. It was pulling out from a side street so my first glimpse was from side on, and I though "what the hell is that!".
Very quickly it looked like a Porsche Panamera. Similar profile and quite low.
Dunno what they drive like but it looks the part.

I haven't seen any ZB's on the road yet...

[white lie]

I see loads of them as there's a dealer in the next suburb over. Think I've only ever seen 1 black and 1 red, all the others have been white...there was one in the middle of the local shopping centre a couple of months back, looked pretty well finished inside, I'd certainly give it a closer look if I was in the market for that type of car, just don't like the front. The ZB would really struggle to get a look in.

[Smitty]

I see loads of them as there's a dealer in the next suburb over. Think I've only ever seen 1 black and 1 red, all the others have been white...there was one in the middle of the local shopping centre a couple of months back, looked pretty well finished inside, I'd certainly give it a closer look if I was in the market for that type of car, just don't like the front. The ZB would really struggle to get a look in.

originally saw a red one at my local shopping strip back September October last year



and then of course on the drive on the release of the thing (there are over 25 of 'em parked here)

[white lie]

I meant the Stinger. Seen bucket loads of white but not much else

[C4B]

I saw the new Commodore this morning when we dropped my wife's company car off at the dealership.....

All I can say is Holden should do the honourable thing and retire the Commodore nameplate immediately.

The new car simply isn't a Commodore and is just shitting on the grave of the real Commodore!

[Smitty]

.. some interesting thoughts on this from a Holden insider Mike Simcoe

https://www.goauto.com.au/news/gener...-03/71348.html

[Jason01]

.. some interesting thoughts on this from a Holden insider Mike Simcoe

https://www.goauto.com.au/news/gener...-03/71348.html

He can try and spin it any way he likes but I want an Australian manufactured Holden, not something else rebadged as a Holden and especially not as a Commodore, I would think so do most good Holden people.

I drive a 91 Ford Laser from time to time and it's a great little car but as far as I'm concerned it's really a Mazda with Ford badges.

[csv rulz]

Have had a few exchanges with Paul Maric from car advice recently on a new car for us. He suggested the new Equinox due to its size and it got me thinking.
There is not a single new Holden I would be happy to lay my hard earn cash on. (Especially not the Equinox)

Thats a really sad thought. Ive been a holden fan since I was a kid

[Smitty]

Have had a few exchanges with Paul Maric from car advice recently on a new car for us. He suggested the new Equinox due to its size and it got me thinking.
There is not a single new Holden I would be happy to lay my hard earn cash on. (Especially not the Equinox)

Thats a really sad thought. Ive been a holden fan since I was a kid

bit harsh in my opinion. I have had an Equinox over a weekend (one of the benefits of being a fleet manager)
and as a small SUV, it does the job. 300% better than the 5 seat Craptiva that it replaces, it drives
quite nicely, decent seats, suspension actually works (unlike the Craptiva) has more than ample space,
the turbo engine with 9 speed auto is more than adequate for around town and on the freeway

It is cheaper than the Toyota RAV4 (but not much) and a lot cheaper than a Tiguan or CX5. It offers
Apple Carplay and its Android equivalent which the Mazda and Toyota don't have.

The only thing I did not like was the auto engine off/on which (unlike the ZB) cannot be turned off
and the vibrating seat warning system (whoever thought this up should be banished from car design forever)
but this can be turned off thankfully

I even don't mind the styling in comparison with its competitors (although design is always an individual choice)

Having said all that... the Equinox is not outstanding nor is it bad (like its predecessor was)

[csv rulz]

bit harsh in my opinion. I have had an Equinox over a weekend (one of the benefits of being a fleet manager)
and as a small SUV, it does the job. 300% better than the 5 seat Craptiva that it replaces, it drives
quite nicely, decent seats, suspension actually works (unlike the Craptiva) has more than ample space,
the turbo engine with 9 speed auto is more than adequate for around town and on the freeway

It is cheaper than the Toyota RAV4 (but not much) and a lot cheaper than a Tiguan or CX5. It offers
Apple Carplay and its Android equivalent which the Mazda and Toyota don't have.

The only thing I did not like was the auto engine off/on which (unlike the ZB) cannot be turned off
and the vibrating seat warning system (whoever thought this up should be banished from car design forever)
but this can be turned off thankfully

I even don't mind the styling in comparison with its competitors (although design is always an individual choice)

Having said all that... the Equinox is not outstanding nor is it bad (like its predecessor was)

No argument from me in terms of the Equinox being a reasonably good car, especially with the 2.0T.
For me though the styling couldnt be any more boring, the interior comes accross as very chintzy and value for money i think there are better buys out there.

Would i have an issue driving one each day? No

Would i buy one with my own money? No

[Ausmartin1]

Looks like Opel build qulaity under PSA group has slipped even lower - New Commodore ZB at shopping centre with Transmission leak.
It's in facebook

Sad for the Holden brand.
Makes me wonder how the new marketing dude will go with mission impossible products this year.
Betting <50% tops new Commodore ZB, March still had a decent proportion of Australian built Commodores sold, Now in April they are now drying up.
Dealers still have plenty of "new" demo Astra's registered for the fake sales spike in December in the second hand lots.
RACV summary wasn't enthralled or impressed compared to other offerings.

One would hate very much to be a Holden dealership this year - "for sure".

[Ausmartin1]

bit harsh in my opinion. I have had an Equinox over a weekend (one of the benefits of being a fleet manager)
and as a small SUV, it does the job. 300% better than the 5 seat Craptiva that it replaces, it drives
quite nicely, decent seats, suspension actually works (unlike the Craptiva) has more than ample space,
the turbo engine with 9 speed auto is more than adequate for around town and on the freeway

It is cheaper than the Toyota RAV4 (but not much) and a lot cheaper than a Tiguan or CX5. It offers
Apple Carplay and its Android equivalent which the Mazda and Toyota don't have.

The only thing I did not like was the auto engine off/on which (unlike the ZB) cannot be turned off
and the vibrating seat warning system (whoever thought this up should be banished from car design forever)
but this can be turned off thankfully

I even don't mind the styling in comparison with its competitors (although design is always an individual choice)

Having said all that... the Equinox is not outstanding nor is it bad (like its predecessor was)

What about Hyundai Tucson / Santa fe or Kia Sportage / Sorento or big families Kia Carnival all with Apple car play or Android Auto and cheaper than the Mazda's I found.
Mazda's have the best style - but Mazda dealers don't discount much or offer decent trade ins from recent experiences in helping friends get a new family car.

[Smitty]

Would i have an issue driving one each day? No

Would i buy one with my own money? No

I wouldn't actually buy one either.. as I detest Silly Useless Vehicles
poor handling under powered a lot of them resource hogs and a pox on the planet.

The car makers with great marketing departments (that does NOT include Holden)
basically got car buyers thinking they are getting better transport when they buy a SUV
.. they are not but shit they sell lots' of 'em!

As my year 1 Marketing 101 Uni lecturer stated just after he had just entered the lecture
theatre for the first time (I remember this very clearly being a young impressionable 18yo long hair)
In the western capitalist system ..... Marketing exists for one and one reason only.
To extract the maximum amount of money from the consumer without any thought as to its impact

In the case of Holden, they have not been able to get that right (except for the Commodore) for probably
the past 20 years and the sales ppl (Holden and dealer staff who actually sell cars) are paying the price

Example... release the Astra, great car. not a lot of advertising. Ditto the Equinox. (does anyone really
understand the Equinox advertising program?) and righto we are going to REALLY stuff up sales of these.
Release them with 7 years warranty and 7 years road side assist. Ooooh actually competition now for
their competitors. BUT ....3 months after release, their warranty reverts to 3 years and Roadside Assist
back to 12 months. Reason now for buying an Astra or Equinox.. over their market competitors??? None

Sad really.... and also this not helped by GM Detroit. A pox on them too ....

Anyone remotely interested should read this .. in todays paper

https://www.theage.com.au/business/c...13-p4z9gs.html