ZB Commodore sales

[Ausmartin1]

well.. I have added to the tally
bought 2 today for reps cars in Brisbane (their VFs are up for replacement)
2 x LT wagons

Wow Smitty you are a brave person ... you retiring soon? as the ZB trade in values are predicted by industry professionals to be at the very bottom of the scale ie extreme depreciation which doesn't matter for private owners who keep them till well into old age.
Trust you got an amazing / spectacular discount to compensate for later when they too need to be traded in?

[Smitty]

Wow Smitty you are a brave person ... you retiring soon? as the ZB trade in values are predicted by industry professionals to be at the very bottom of the scale ie extreme depreciation which doesn't matter for private owners who keep them till well into old age.
Trust you got an amazing / spectacular discount to compensate for later when they too need to be traded in?

naaah... not a problem
our fleet buying guidelines cover that

I am to buy sales vehicles as follows -
must be available in sedan and wagon versions
need country wide dealer support (important that for our country reps)
must have the highest safety rating
and
these guidelines from our finance dept-
no sales or marketing vehicle acquisition cost to be over $40k ...ex GST (if I try, the purchase will NOT be approved)
and trade-in/disposal value estimate to be a minimum of 15% of purchase price after 4 years or 160,000

so I need to get about $4500 for a trade-in... don't think that is a problem

[whitels1ss]

so I need to get about $4500 for a trade-in... don't think that is a problem

I think you should be okay,
but,
only just!

To be honest though,

I reckon if they kept the trade in VF's instead, in another 4 years time they might be worth around the same money than these new things!

[Smitty]

I think you should be okay,
but,
only just!

I did have my fingers crossed and behind my back when I submitted the estimated
trade-in at $5k (above the minimum $4500) on the new vehicle forms

[Ausmartin1]

I did have my fingers crossed and behind my back when I submitted the estimated
trade-in at $5k (above the minimum $4500) on the new vehicle forms

Smitty at least you have a reasonable finance department.
Look forward for the updates on how the ZB travel.
Be interesting to know how brake pads last etc.
Compared to the VF's.
As they will travel a fair bit and under similar conditions.

[Pickles]

Well, I am going to go against the flow.
I know the "new" Commodore ain't a VF, I know it ain't a V8, and I know it ain't made in Aussie, but apart from that,.."WHAT IS WRONG WITH IT"?
I say, not very much.
OK, I haven't driven one yet, but how many of the "knockers" have?....I've had the opportunity to borrow one, but just haven't fitted it in yet, but I will.
There's a good combination of engines & transmissions, the interior is typical Euro, and the finish is good.
The only thing I can see really wrong with them is that, unlike the VF Commodore, they're not a lot different than many other similar cars on the market?
I now await flaming, Pickles.

[Smitty]

Well, I am going to go against the flow.
I know the "new" Commodore ain't a VF, I know it ain't a V8, and I know it ain't made in Aussie, but apart from that,.."WHAT IS WRONG WITH IT"?
I say, not very much.
OK, I haven't driven one yet, but how many of the "knockers" have?....I've had the opportunity to borrow one, but just haven't fitted it in yet, but I will.
There's a good combination of engines & transmissions, the interior is typical Euro, and the finish is good.
The only thing I can see really wrong with them is that, unlike the VF Commodore, they're not a lot different than many other similar cars on the market?
I now await flaming, Pickles.

Martin... not from me
I agree with everything you have said.. they are not a bad car ( I say that after 5 or 6 test drives inc the launch - see pic and having one for 4 or 5 days as my daily)
yes ... they are similar to a lot of the competition (write Toyota Hyundai Mazda here) but that was the decision made by GM and Holden so they have to live with it



The only thing 'bad' about it is the name... BIG home goal by calling it 'Commodore' in my opinion. After sampling it.. it is NOT!
And I told a number of the Holden senior sales guys at the Victorian launch that they got that wrong big time. Calling it Commodore
(and ignore all the stuff about how they changed it for Australia from Holden people like Bernhard down) means they will not get
the showroom traffic needed for sales... and so it has proved

[Jason01]

Well, I am going to go against the flow.
I know the "new" Commodore ain't a VF, I know it ain't a V8, and I know it ain't made in Aussie, but apart from that,.."WHAT IS WRONG WITH IT"?

It's f#cking ugly.

[Souljah]

Well, I am going to go against the flow.
I know the "new" Commodore ain't a VF, I know it ain't a V8, and I know it ain't made in Aussie, but apart from that,.."WHAT IS WRONG WITH IT"?

The wrong set of wheels are being driven.
Ugly.
Looks the same as everything else from other established manufacturers.

[Smitty]

It's f#cking ugly.

I am not a fan of the current auto design 'squashed turd' look (as my grandkids call it)
but
Mercedes Mazda Audi Opel (read Holden) are all doing it... the ZB is one of the better looking imo

this is not pretty....

[whitels1ss]

I am not a fan of the current auto design 'squashed turd' look (as my grandkids call it)
but
Mercedes Mazda Audi Opel (read Holden) are all doing it... the ZB is one of the better looking imo

this is not pretty....

"Squashed Turd" ..... Gotta love it!!!



Yeah, there are some ugly looking things around these days!

What scares me is if I look at that thing briefly & close one eye..............
I see a small resemblance to an AU Falcon.

[csv rulz]

The problem is that the VF was different to anything else on offer. It had rwd, option of V8, was built in Aus and is a bloody good looking car. So people bought it

The ZB is like every other car out there. Except holden doesnt have a name like toyota when it comes to reliability or a name like mazda when it comes to service or a warranty to rival Kia.

There only hope is to reduce prices and bring in a longer warranty on a permanent basis. This temporary warranty om different models etc isnt doing them any good

[Jason01]

I am not a fan of the current auto design 'squashed turd' look (as my grandkids call it)
but
Mercedes Mazda Audi Opel (read Holden) are all doing it... the ZB is one of the better looking imo

this is not pretty....

Ha ha, your grandkids obviously know their stuff Smitty, perhaps some of grandpa's genes having an effect there .

[Smitty]

Ha ha, your grandkids obviously know their stuff Smitty, perhaps some of grandpa's genes having an effect there .

picked up 2 of the grandies this morning (for a trip to the park)... and the youngest my 4yo grandson took great delight
in telling me....look GrandDad, a squashed poo ! as he spotted a Mercedes CLS turning in front of us on the way

he isn't but the older ones are allowed to say 'turd' ... and do

[A^K^T]

Saw a third ZB today , was at a car rental place.
By comparison i have seen about 7 Teslas , two at the local IGA.