ZB Commodore sales

[whitels1ss]

General reminder.....
Everyone is entitled to an opinion.
Just please keep all replies civil.

[Xjas]

Why are you guys knocking "Holden",....even as it is now, jeez guys, HOLDEN is still HOLDEN,....get positive & support the brand.
People seem to forget that the very first VB was not a "Holden" ...it was an OPel.
I'm a "Holden" man, I'm an Aussie, I support the brand,....& I support the Dealers.
"Aussie" is getting erased in all sorts of ways.....FFS, lets support an Aussie icon,.......I will be.
Drive one, then post your opinion on here.
Pickles.

All just my opinion, but Holden (and Ford) ceased to be an Aussie icon when they stopped building cars in Australia, I have owned 5 Holdens and they were all built here, I will be keeping the two I currently have, VE ute and HQ sedan, partly because they are part of this icon of Australia.
Supporting the brand is a misguided notion, GM is a large public company who's over riding aim is to maximise profits for its shareholders, you own them no loyalty, they ceased to be your home team when they stopped building cars here.
From here on out Holden is just another manufacturer trying to make the most money they can from consumers, they contribute no more to the Australian economy than any other manufacturer, they owe me no loyalty and will get none in return, When I need a new car I will assess all vehicles that are suitable and buy whatever best suits my needs be that a Holden or any other brand, My current daily is a Pajero and its a great car.

[C4B]

All just my opinion, but Holden (and Ford) ceased to be an Aussie icon when they stopped building cars in Australia, I have owned 5 Holdens and they were all built here, I will be keeping the two I currently have, VE ute and HQ sedan, partly because they are part of this icon of Australia.
Supporting the brand is a misguided notion, GM is a large public company who's over riding aim is to maximise profits for its shareholders, you own them no loyalty, they ceased to be your home team when they stopped building cars here.
From here on out Holden is just another manufacturer trying to make the most money they can from consumers, they contribute no more to the Australian economy than any other manufacturer, they owe me no loyalty and will get none in return, When I need a new car I will assess all vehicles that are suitable and buy whatever best suits my needs be that a Holden or any other brand, My current daily is a Pajero and its a great car.

It's a hard fact to swallow but Holden is now just a retailer of overseas manufactured goods (no different to JB Hifi selling Samsung TV's). Yes, Holden do re-brand the products they import, but that's hardly unique..... even online sellers like Kogan rebrand TV's for sale.

Oh and before anyone gets too nostalgic and pulls out the fabled: Football, Meat Pies, Kangaroos and Holden Cars. It was a ripoff straight from the land of Apple Pie:

[Ausmartin1]

All just my opinion, but Holden (and Ford) ceased to be an Aussie icon when they stopped building cars in Australia, I have owned 5 Holdens and they were all built here, I will be keeping the two I currently have, VE ute and HQ sedan, partly because they are part of this icon of Australia.
Supporting the brand is a misguided notion, GM is a large public company who's over riding aim is to maximise profits for its shareholders, you own them no loyalty, they ceased to be your home team when they stopped building cars here.
From here on out Holden is just another manufacturer trying to make the most money they can from consumers, they contribute no more to the Australian economy than any other manufacturer, they owe me no loyalty and will get none in return, When I need a new car I will assess all vehicles that are suitable and buy whatever best suits my needs be that a Holden or any other brand, My current daily is a Pajero and its a great car.

Wow 100% well said,
Not only has Ford, Holden, Nissan & Mitsubishi abandoned us these x4 have PAID NO TAX IN THE LAST x3 YEARS IN AUSTRALIA!
you try getting a creative account for your personal tax and see how fair in Jail.
Not only that - WE have paid them & STILL DO to do R&D in Australia which they then use on overseas products to make huge profits in the case of Ford & GM.....

Ford is not interested in making cars only SUV's
and
GM is NOT interested in RHD markets - their internal priorities are:
North America
China
South America

They want Australians to be loyal ?
Loyalty goes both ways, but my personal opinion is we (Australia) have been loyally well and truly screwed over - Especially by American car companies from a total lack of direction and or self (USA) interests in the past till now.
Best they reap what they sow and eat it slowly.

Still enjoying my VXII a great Australian built local car thumbs up to the people that built it - been a great durable fun car, the current offerings now ... a mediocrity droplet in a sea of choice.

[BLACKVE]

Yes a very good guy I dealt with at Suttons for my last two new rides has left last year, have NFI why!!

probably selling Kia stingers

[BLACK 346]

probably selling Kia stingers

I have seen twice as many Stingers on the road as I have ZB Commos. That would be 2.

[BLACKVE]

I have seen twice as many Stingers on the road as I have ZB Commos. That would be 2.

Your lucky my neighbour has one( works at Holden dealer) grr street valve has dropped

[A^K^T]

Since the last ZB i have seen a V8 MGB & Nissan GTR (a modern one) but ZB Commodores are still a rare sight.

[whitels1ss]

General reminder.....
Everyone is entitled to an opinion.
Just please keep all replies civil.

Okay....

Have just deleted a few posts from a few members to clean up the thread.

Do we have to spell it out a little clearer?


We are all grown ups here.

Someone posted earlier in the thread that everyone is entitled to their opinion & nobody else has to agree
but that if someone else does not agree, best thing is to just "move on."


For the last time, please let's keep the thread going nicely.

Let's just leave it there.

[whitels1ss]

Back on topic.....

I saw a red ZB in town yesterday!

[rgmast]

Saw the new silver zb Police car on Bridge Rd Para Hills (Adelaide) yesterday.
They definitely dont stand out like the white or blue police cars

[mac06]

I've been driving the RSV AWD for a couple of months and it goes well. On the open road with some town traffic I got 7.6L/100kms and around town I'm getting around 11L/100kms. The AWD system comes into its own in the wet. Pull out into traffic and give it a bit and you feel the system working to get traction and the car going in the direction intended. It's obviously not a V8 but there's plenty enough for everyday driving, plus a bit extra for spirited driving. The beauty is in the AWD and handling, not necessarily 0-100 times. Styling is subjective but I like it. In fact as time goes on I'm liking it more and more. The old era of manufacturers putting a million buttons on the centre dash are gone thankfully and the minimalist styling in the Commodore looks a lot better to me. The MyLink screen has no lag and works well. Will sales pick up in the months ahead? I hope so, but time will tell.

[Smitty]

will put this bit of news up here (no thread as I think it is relevant here)

announced today ....

Former Toyota Australia boss Dave Buttner will replace Holden managing director Mark Bernhard from next month, a move likely to send shockwaves through the car industry.

THE executive who helped drive Toyota to 15 years of dominance in Australia is about to become the new boss of Holden — as General Motors attempts to reverse a massive sales slide since the end of local manufacturing.

Mr Buttner left Toyota after overseeing the closure of the Camry factory in Melbourne last year, just weeks before Holden’s factory shutdown. He will begin as chairman and managing director of GM Holden next month

In a media statement GM executive vice president and president of GM International Barry Engle said: “Dave’s proven track record and understanding of Holden’s markets — and the company’s potential in those markets — makes him the right leader for this next phase in the evolution of the business”.

Mr Buttner will be Holden’s seventh boss in 10 years after Mr Bernhard announced his retirement from General Motors, ending 32 years of service with the global car giant.

[white lie]

Hopefully a move in the right direction for them. They needed to do something, that's for sure!

[dgp]

What a bunch of muppets.
Because they (GM) don't understand the demographic of THEIR market in Australia, they get rid of the top dog because it must be his fault. All companies behave like this, it makes me sick.