ZB Commodore sales

[BLACK 346]

Spotted a black Calais V this morning, looked small and unremarkable

[SASLS1]

Spotted a black Calais V this morning, looked small and unremarkable

That's exactly the problem, it doesn't in anyway, standout from the crowd...

Just looks like every other boring and nondescript vehicle, that doesn't draw any interest or emotion what so ever...

It's a Dead Duck IMO... and the very poor sales, totally reflect this...

Holden needs to Move On... from this total sales disaster ASAP...

[BLACK 346]

Are they substantially smaller than VE-VF? The wagon looks particularly tiny.

[CLUBRED]

From memory, the Tourers are a bit longer, but slightly narrower...

[csv rulz]

Are they substantially smaller than VE-VF? The wagon looks particularly tiny.

Size wise they sit between VZ & VF. The biggest loss in size is the width

[A^K^T]

Saw a white ZB sedan on the way home from work yesterday , still a rare sight on the roads where i drive.

[Smitty]

From memory, the Tourers are a bit longer, but slightly narrower...

ZB wagon has same wheel base as VF..... I stuck one up next to my wagon on a test drive
less than 25-30mm in it

as mentioned width is the biggest difference, my guess ZB is about 100mm narrower
most notable inside the car I found.

Driver and passenger elbows clash on the console armrest

[Ausmartin1]

The house master of Beige accounting to lead Holden.
Things must be serious if they are putting a former Toyota Australia accountant in charge.
The difference is at Toyota the products sell themselves, crab the pop corn and lets see what in the world happens now!

https://premium.goauto.com.au/ex-toy...o-head-holden/

[CLUBRED]

From the brochures, worst case in mm...

Lengths:
VF Sportwagon = 4937
ZB Tourer = 5004

Widths:
VF Sportwagon = 1898
ZB Tourer = 1871

Wheelbase:
VF Sportwagon = 2915
ZB Tourer = 2829

Heights:
VF Sportwagon = 1474
ZB Tourer = 1525

[white lie]

Interesting figures. The ZB appears like it's a decent amount smaller. Perhaps it's in the lines/tapering as it seems "sleeker" so may be similar at the peaks but tighter angles reducing overall space?

[Pickles]

ZB wagon has same wheel base as VF..... I stuck one up next to my wagon on a test drive
less than 25-30mm in it

as mentioned width is the biggest difference, my guess ZB is about 100mm narrower
most notable inside the car I found.

Driver and passenger elbows clash on the console armrest

G'Day Smitty.
So, in view of your position as a National Fleet Manager, & consequently a multiple buyer of all sorts of cars,, and someone that has probably bought many VFs, I have a question for you! Which car makes/models would you say have been the major beneficiaries of the "unpopularity" of the current Commodore?
Pickles.

[Micks]

The house master of Beige accounting to lead Holden.
Things must be serious if they are putting a former Toyota Australia accountant in charge.
The difference is at Toyota the products sell themselves, crab the pop corn and lets see what in the world happens now!

https://premium.goauto.com.au/ex-toy...o-head-holden/

That's the problem when "Bean Counters" Try to run companies!!

[Ausmartin1]

That's the problem when "Bean Counters" Try to run companies!!

Yep, working in manufacturing for most of my life - a bean counter at the top of the tree rarely ever ends well.
Interesting odds "for sure".

[whitels1ss]

I saw a new black fully signed up Police HWP ZB this morning,

it seemed to look very much smaller than the old VF HWP cars,
don't know if it was the colour scheme making it look even smaller somehow or what?

I had to look at it twice to work out that it even was a "Commodore".

[Red CV8 R]

I've still only seen one ZB, a wagon, did not look good at all.