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    Re: Methanol/water injection

    40+ above ambient when you're not giving it a hard time sounds like the pump isn't on. Can you reach the pump to listen/feel if it's on? Otherwise syringe a little liquid out so you can see the inlet to check the flow.

    I don't know if your pump has a safety switch in it to turn off if it detects air, otherwise it might be something simple like the fuse.

    There is also an issue with the LSA intercooler cores collapsing at the end which inhibits flow thru it. Could be possible that it's bent and causing a bottle neck if there's very little flow.

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    Re: Methanol/water injection

    Quote Originally Posted by white lie View Post
    40+ above ambient when you're not giving it a hard time sounds like the pump isn't on. Can you reach the pump to listen/feel if it's on? Otherwise syringe a little liquid out so you can see the inlet to check the flow.

    I don't know if your pump has a safety switch in it to turn off if it detects air, otherwise it might be something simple like the fuse.

    There is also an issue with the LSA intercooler cores collapsing at the end which inhibits flow thru it. Could be possible that it's bent and causing a bottle neck if there's very little flow.
    Yes common issue with the LSA internal brick either distorting or rupturing, you can have it removed & braced to overcome this problem.

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    Re: Methanol/water injection

    Quote Originally Posted by Wonky View Post
    The video the guy who changed my pump (not APS) to a Varimax sent me after done.

    Mine flows about at about the same speed.

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    Re: Methanol/water injection

    Quote Originally Posted by white lie View Post
    40+ above ambient when you're not giving it a hard time sounds like the pump isn't on. Can you reach the pump to listen/feel if it's on? Otherwise syringe a little liquid out so you can see the inlet to check the flow.

    I don't know if your pump has a safety switch in it to turn off if it detects air, otherwise it might be something simple like the fuse.

    There is also an issue with the LSA intercooler cores collapsing at the end which inhibits flow thru it. Could be possible that it's bent and causing a bottle neck if there's very little flow.
    Finally got around to doing this today, you are spot on mate, there is no flow whatsoever. I even pulled one of the pipes off and absolutely no suction. Now to try and trouble shoot it.
    The fuse seems fine (it has an inline fuse under the engine bay). I assume the pump should be running all the time when the engine is running? This would certainly be accounting for some of that 40 above ambient IAT's that I am seeing, surely. Yesterday morning 18 degrees on way to work, by the time I got to work (22km) it was rock solid on 58 degrees IAT.

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    Re: Methanol/water injection

    Rod might need to put a voltmeter across the leads to the pump to ensure it's getting power. If the pump is electrically operating then perhaps as mentioned above it has a shit load of air in the system, sometimes can be a real pain to purge them too.

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    Re: Methanol/water injection

    Quote Originally Posted by Micks View Post
    Rod might need to put a voltmeter across the leads to the pump to ensure it's getting power. If the pump is electrically operating then perhaps as mentioned above it has a shit load of air in the system, sometimes can be a real pain to purge them too.
    Thanks Mick, Brad just rang me and said same. If it is getting power need to pull the hoses off the blower and force some air through in case the pump has an air lock and is cavitating. Off to try these things now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BLACK 346 View Post
    Finally got around to doing this today, you are spot on mate, there is no flow whatsoever. I even pulled one of the pipes off and absolutely no suction. Now to try and trouble shoot it.
    The fuse seems fine (it has an inline fuse under the engine bay). I assume the pump should be running all the time when the engine is running? This would certainly be accounting for some of that 40 above ambient IAT's that I am seeing, surely. Yesterday morning 18 degrees on way to work, by the time I got to work (22km) it was rock solid on 58 degrees IAT.
    I would have thought that Brad would have noticed if it was not pumping when he looked at it. Might have faulted since?

    I have wired up my pump so it goes on as soon as either ignition or accessory position is switched on & can certainly hear it running.

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    Re: Methanol/water injection

    Quote Originally Posted by whitels1ss View Post
    I would have thought that Brad would have noticed if it was not pumping when he looked at it. Might have faulted since?

    I have wired up my pump so it goes on as soon as either ignition or accessory position is switched on & can certainly hear it running.
    Just pulled the plug off the pump and there is definitely power to the plug when the ignition is on. Cannot hear nor feel pump running with hand on it. I guess next step is replacement.

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    Re: Methanol/water injection

    faulty pump easy fix.

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    Re: Methanol/water injection

    Quote Originally Posted by Micks View Post
    faulty pump easy fix.
    Yep, just have to decide what pump considering that Davies craig was about $180 and lasted about 5,000 km. I like the varimax that Gary mentioned, can't seem to get it in oz, so might have to order from o/s.

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    Re: Methanol/water injection

    Mine is a Bosch similar to this one




    https://www.bosch-motorsport-shop.co...-pump-1200-lph

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    Re: Methanol/water injection

    Quote Originally Posted by whitels1ss View Post
    Mine is a Bosch similar to this one




    https://www.bosch-motorsport-shop.co...-pump-1200-lph
    Thanks Ed, was looking at that one, then saw this one also. Says it is used in the blown Mustangs and is developed by Bosch and Ford.

    http://www.sonicperformance.com.au/0...on-Pump/pd.php

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    Re: Methanol/water injection

    Davies craig was about $180 and lasted about 5,000 km
    Never really like DC stuff, bought one of their Thermatic fan thermostats once for one of my early Holden projects, no matter what I did it always leaked & was installed exactly how they instructed.
    In the end I bought a Honda thermostat with an adapter & no problems.

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    Re: Methanol/water injection

    Quote Originally Posted by Micks View Post
    Never really like DC stuff, bought one of their Thermatic fan thermostats once for one of my early Holden projects, no matter what I did it always leaked & was installed exactly how they instructed.
    In the end I bought a Honda thermostat with an adapter & no problems.
    Was talking to Brad about them, he reckons good years ago but have dropped the ball.

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    Re: Methanol/water injection

    Quote Originally Posted by BLACK 346 View Post
    Thanks Ed, was looking at that one, then saw this one also. Says it is used in the blown Mustangs and is developed by Bosch and Ford.

    http://www.sonicperformance.com.au/0...on-Pump/pd.php
    Both pumps have exactly the same SKU number which is...... "0 392 022 002"

    & the one you listed shows the manufacturer to be "Bosch" as well

    I reckon it is exactly the same pump Rod.

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