Surprising Power From VE SIDI

[seldo]

And who might these 'people' be? No doubt a figment of your imagination, or are you the CEO of Holdens Survey Dept??

Ive driven the new 3.0 & 3.6 SIDI, and was quite impressed with the 3.6L, but the 3.0L is a piece of shit. I drove both for a good 45 minutes each, both around town and on a major 100km/h highway!!

Im mates with one of the guys at the local Holden dealership, he stated that the 3.0L is a POS as well. He always recommends a couple extra $$$ for the 3.6L to potential buyers.

But ur right, the 3.0L does get along well, compared to a push bike...

Crap on about the 3.0L all you like, we expect nothing less from you.. ITS A DOG, nothing less!!

Of course anyone who evaluates it as a performance car will be disappointed, but its inteneded market of cardigan-wearing non-car people will find it just dandy.
Anyone who bags it for not being a performance car is just away with the pixies...

[BOOGER]

I don't think anyone would expect it to be a performance car but one could at least expect it to be able to match the previous model. Regardless of what Holden says on paper, out on the road it's a dog to drive.

And planetdavo, if we're going to compare it to a Toyota at least go for the V6, the Aurion. 200kw at 6200rpm and 336nm at 4700rpm. Better than Holdens outgoing V6.

As far as target market is concered I would have thought fleet not mums and dads. That being the case and with many fleet buyers needing to cart heavy loads the SIDI 3.0 is not good enough. I had 5 guys 80kg plus in the car yesterday plus a load in the boot and no it wasn't fun. A 4 cylinder Camry probably would have beaten us in this case. So what's next for Holden and Commodore? Will it eventually reach the point where they put a 4 cylinder in it to appease the fuel police?

[nudenut]

And planetdavo, if we're going to compare it to a Toyota at least go for the V6, the Aurion. 200kw at 6200rpm and 336nm at 4700rpm. Better than Holdens outgoing V6.

That's the whole point - an Aurion is basically a Camry with a bigger/better motor, which in a Commodore means a 3.6 or 6.0. Compare the smallest "economy" engine in each, ie Camry vs Commodore 3.0 and see which you like better. By all means compare the 3.6 to an Aurion.

I would imagine that there are plenty of Camrys being sold to fleets, and quite a few to "mums and dads" too. I wouldn't touch one with a barge pole but there's obviously a market there, which I'm happy for Holden to exploit if it improves the bottom line, and keeps the deleopment money coming in for the versions that I'm interested in.

[BOOGER]

That's the whole point - an Aurion is basically a Camry with a bigger/better motor, which in a Commodore means a 3.6 or 6.0. Compare the smallest "economy" engine in each, ie Camry vs Commodore 3.0 and see which you like better. By all means compare the 3.6 to an Aurion.

I would imagine that there are plenty of Camrys being sold to fleets, and quite a few to "mums and dads" too. I wouldn't touch one with a barge pole but there's obviously a market there, which I'm happy for Holden to exploit if it improves the bottom line, and keeps the deleopment money coming in for the versions that I'm interested in.

Yep I follow what you're saying but if Holden are following that type of logic then the Epica should have been made the smaller capacity, less powered option and left the Commodore with the larger capacity.

Traditionally it has been Commodore V Falcon but it seems now Holden are dropping into the territory of the front drive small capacity V6 manufacturers.

[mac06]

Yep I follow what you're saying but if Holden are following that type of logic then the Epica should have been made the smaller capacity, less powered option and left the Commodore with the larger capacity.

Traditionally it has been Commodore V Falcon but it seems now Holden are dropping into the territory of the front drive small capacity V6 manufacturers.

True, but Holden aren't exactly selling plenty of Epica's. Plus the bread and butter for Holden is local production, not imports. If they can have a bet each way against both the Falcon and Aurion/ Camry market then that's not a bad thing IMO. Most private buyers would be edging towards the 3.6 or 6.0 as their choice of vehicle. The 3.0 would be geared toward the fleet market where the drivers don't get much of a choice. As long as fleet managers feel there is money to be saved on fuel costs they wouldn't care how it drives.

[TheRealMadMax]

Traditionally it has been Commodore V Falcon but it seems now Holden are dropping into the territory of the front drive small capacity V6 manufacturers.

True...just be glad the Commodore is not going the way of the Falcon! E.g. the way of the Dodo.

Truth be told, holden sell far worse cars than the 3.0 Commodore.

[nudenut]

Yep I follow what you're saying but if Holden are following that type of logic then the Epica should have been made the smaller capacity, less powered option and left the Commodore with the larger capacity.

Epica isn't nearly as big as a Commodore though ... whereas no matter what bullshit Toyota sprout about Camry being midsized and Aurion being large, they're the same size.

(The 3.0 is moot for me anyway, if I was buying a new Commodore it'd be a SV6, SS or SS-V Sportwagon. Actually not sure if they make manual SV6 wagons so it'd be an 8 - regardless, if the 3.0 works for enough fleets/people for it to be a sales success, I reckon it's all good.)

[exwrx]

As I understand it, those who have driven a 3.0 VE are saying it is an unrefined turd that needs to have the tits thrashed off it,which negates any potential fuel savings anyway.

Hope I got it right.

I have driven it, as well as the falcon 6 and Aurion. I would rank the commodore last in that little comparison, not as a performance car, but as a commuter. IMHO of course.

[Kuzman89]

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And planetdavo, if we're going to compare it to a Toyota at least go for the V6, the Aurion. 200kw at 6200rpm and 336nm at 4700rpm. Better than Holdens outgoing V6

Nope, 3.6l SIDI shits all over it, 215kw and 350nm at 2900rpm. Plus it uses less fuel, looks better, handles better. Who wants a fwd piece of shit anyway? The 3.0l wasn't made to compete with the high powered aurion.

[BOOGER]

Nope, 3.6l SIDI shits all over it, 215kw and 350nm at 2900rpm. Plus it uses less fuel, looks better, handles better. Who wants a fwd piece of shit anyway? The 3.0l wasn't made to compete with the high powered aurion.

I was refering to the outgoing V6, the non SIDI one. But you're right, who wants to drive a FWD POS!!

[RAVENLS1]

the falcon shits on them all.!!!!!!!.

[cashie]

the falcon shits on them all.!!!!!!!.

In torque it does, yes.....

[RAVENLS1]

no, the falcon is a better car

[Spoolin]

How many of you guys have actually spent more than a few hours behind the wheel of the cars you are all commenting on?

[Deco28]

It's hard without buying one.

WHy would anyone buy the 3.0l when the SV6 is going for 36k atm!