HSV reluctance to provide test cars.

[macca_779]

I have 3 mates that work at different Ford/FPV dealerships and the amount of T6's that come in stuffed, weather it be motors, turbo's, gearbox, diffs doesn't really matter. And all cars range from stock to alot of work carried out on them. Than comes the old 5.4, if I was a Ford guy like these guys are, and not to mention that they all drive SS Commodore's than you be the judge. All I am saying is yes they make good power but for how long will they last.

Yeah ok mate. I've got a few mates of my own who fix LSx cars. No one is going hungry let me tell you.


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[Plenty]

No point leading the sales race by numbers if you arent selling them at a profit. Id rather sell half of what HSV do but make a profit doing so.

FPV actually sell a third of what HSV sells and i bet HSV makes two thirds more money as well.

Difference is people want to own an HSV, FPV well....... just look how many you see!

[awesome _vzss]

Well im calling BS, i think youre talking brand biased Bull#$%t, The T6 is a very reliable motor, just like the L98 is (unlike the LS1 rattly oil burning POS was). Talk facts not BS.

your calling the ls1 a pos,now that's funny.
Next your gonna say Fords 5.4L was a power house
When all these magazine's do there holden vs Ford or hsv vs fpv its always one sided.
For example motor magazine in the past have put a hsv gts up against the fpv typhoon,why becuase it was fpv's quickest car,not the bf gtp which would be a better comparison considering its a v8 ffs.
At the end of the day the carsales figures speak for themselves,if Ford falcons are such a great product then why are they pulling the pin on them?
Sure even I'm impressed by the new fpv gtp,the coyote engine shows very good potential but is that enough, no and that's where hsv dominate with the gts,people want a damn good car for 85k not just a good motor.
All I can say to the troll Ford fans are enjoy the new Taurus.

[Plenty]

LOL you are a wise man, AFF Pty Ltd is a profitable business, anyone who interferes or exposes Russ's profit stream is cast aside.. or atleast his fluffer does it.. Anyway, back on topic, tell me why HSV wont take up the challenge???

What challenge mate? They have compared the cars numerous amounts of times. HSV get done in a straight line, but the FPV loses everywhere else.
How many times do you need to be told that the chassis sucks, the power down sucks, the driving position sucks and the starter button and so on and so on.

Not much point having a great engine when the rest of the package is crud!

[SM1DY]

if Ford falcons are such a great product then why are they pulling the pin on them?

All I can say to the troll Ford fans are enjoy the new Taurus.

You must be privy to some information that the rest of us aren't.

[185iboy]

What challenge mate? They have compared the cars numerous amounts of times. HSV get done in a straight line, but the FPV loses everywhere else.
How many times do you need to be told that the chassis sucks, the power down sucks, the driving position sucks and the starter button and so on and so on.

Not much point having a great engine when the rest of the package is crud!

Drive one for a week and you wont want to get out though. I'm not here to spin a sale though.



HSV tests were long done with before the 5.0 came out anyway. Not much point testing the same car over and over and over again. It's been a good 5 years, not much has changed for HSV. FPV sales will take off. They've started a new generation of car that wipes the floor with the outgoing model - it's only been out for a year.

[Plenty]

Drive one for a week and you wont want to get out though. I'm not here to spin a sale though.



HSV tests were long done with before the 5.0 came out anyway. Not much point testing the same car over and over and over again. It's been a good 5 years, not much has changed for HSV. FPV sales will take off. They've started a new generation of car that wipes the floor with the outgoing model - it's only been out for a year.

I had a decent stint in one, great power and the ZF box is great, but damn that seating position sucks arse. Rear end floats and bounces and power down is terrible, there is just way too many negatives to swing my vote.

Like i said great engine and box, the rest, nothing to exciting i'll stick with the VE thanks.

[Marco]

All I can say to the troll Ford fans are enjoy the new Taurus.

What he said. In a couple of years from now FPV will be all about front-drive V6 turbos, so whatever the state of the market is now is only a short term thing.

[SM1DY]

What he said. In a couple of years from now FPV will be all about front-drive V6 turbos, so whatever the state of the market is now is only a short term thing.

If the Falcon goes FWD, the Commodore will be right behind it. The ideal outcome for the Australian car market is that the Falcon and Mustang share an RWD platform, a possibility that has been gaining momentum of late.

[Solone]

HSV did supply many VEs for reviews.

If the magazines or press really wanted a VE HSV dont you think they could hold of one?

But as the OP says, I have actually never seen a comparo with a E3 HSV and that new FPV V8?

Im sure the E3 would hold its own anyway. negligible differences.

[Carby]

Don't know why you are bringing this up 4V man, Drive Article by Richard Blackburn on November 6 2010 tested the GT against the GTS and whereas they liked the superior power of the GT (one trick pony like the F6) the GTS was touted as the better car overall. Then today in Carsguide Ged Bumer the managing editor, wrote for his best car of the year:

"HSV GTS - a benchmark Aussie muscle car delivering stunning performance at a real world price."

So herein lies your answer - HSV is taking pity on it's old rival whose base Falcon is in dire straights sales wise, and by not providing any cars for comparo's with the GT HSV is actually aiding FPV's survival. What swell guys those HSV boys are..............

[cashie]

It appears this thread is a troll, the OP has been back many times but hasn't addressed or responded to any of the facts..
I think Carby has summed it up above!

[seedyrom]

your calling the ls1 a pos,now that's funny.
Next your gonna say Fords 5.4L was a power house

2008 Ford Falcon FPV GT 5.4L 315 kW =58.33 kw/litre


1999 HSV LS1 5.7L 250 kw =43.86 kw/litre
1999 HSV GTS LS1 5.7L 300 kw =52.63 kw/litre
2002 HSV LS1 5.7L 260 kw =45.61 kw/litre
2003 HSV LS1 5.7L 285 kw =50 kw/litre
2004 HSV LS2 6.0L 297 kw =49.5 kw/litre
2006 HSV LS2 6.OL 307 kw =51.17 kw/litre
2008 HSV Maloo, Clubsport, Senator 6.2L 317 kW =51.13 kw/litre
2008 HSV GTS, Grange 6.2L 325 kw =52.42 kw/litre


Just sayin'

[Carby]

Nice one Seedy - but quaint little stats like that tell only part of the picture The Honda S2000 had 88.5 kw per litre but was just about undriveable in traffic.

Smaller engine bulk, weight and simplicity have a lot going for it..................

[Plenty]

2008 Ford Falcon FPV GT 5.4L 315 kW =58.33 kw/litre


1999 HSV LS1 5.7L 250 kw =43.86 kw/litre
1999 HSV GTS LS1 5.7L 300 kw =52.63 kw/litre
2002 HSV LS1 5.7L 260 kw =45.61 kw/litre
2003 HSV LS1 5.7L 285 kw =50 kw/litre
2004 HSV LS2 6.0L 297 kw =49.5 kw/litre
2006 HSV LS2 6.OL 307 kw =51.17 kw/litre
2008 HSV Maloo, Clubsport, Senator 6.2L 317 kW =51.13 kw/litre
2008 HSV GTS, Grange 6.2L 325 kw =52.42 kw/litre


Just sayin'

funny thing is it had so much power but only a very limited range of revs, gutless piece of crap motor it was!