Fpv gt rspec

[bouka]

I've seen this color combo in real life and all I can is .........it is fricken disgusting.

It does come in other colors, thank God.

This comparo gives the win to the GT on all fronts. I suppose this journo is one of the rare type that isn't an expert!

[planetdavo]

http://theage.drive.com.au/new-car-c...012-27gd4.html

Another comparison by Drive, a video is accompanied with the story. FPV had it hands down this guy reckons, his opinion was also contradictory to what the Wheels team thought about the same cars. Goes to show there is a lot of personal influence with journalists (not brand loyalty, just what they feel more comfortable with).

That FPV was a good 2 or 3 car lengths in front of the other two to 100 in the video, looks like they fixed the grip finally.

Yeah read that review. It was a test of road and track performance, so was a review of a different aspect of the cars compared to the Wheels one, which was purely a road based test, so more representative of the average owner.
There will quite obviously be variances between different testers. You rarely ever get the same result from all the different testers, as many aim for different readership markets.
I wouldn't recommend believing your favourite brand is always the best because of the Drive result though fella. I mean, this paper gave 14 different cars a car of the year award last year...
Just like the Wheels story, it is a piece to read and form your own opinion on (if people can remove bias from their interpretation of the result). The common theme over a variety of tests is that the HSV's are a better road car to own, and the FPV's (because of their engine) are a better strip car. Depends what floats people's boats really.

[macca_779]

And track car davo don't forget


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[planetdavo]

And track car davo don't forget


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Of course, my Ford loving friend...
End of the day, this thread could go on for 600 pages and STILL have the resident Ford fans telling the resident Holden fans that their brand is "better", or the horsepower heroes will say the more powerful car is better, or whatever. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
People in the market for one should choose whichever one suits their needs and wants better. The rest of us are just giving an opinion. A pissing contest if you will...
We all know which one is easily the best seller of the two, but is it the "better" of the two?
Maybe.............or maybe not (depends on your needs and wants).

[macca_779]

Of course, my Ford loving friend...
End of the day, this thread could go on for 600 pages and STILL have the resident Ford fans telling the resident Holden fans that their brand is "better", or the horsepower heroes will say the more powerful car is better, or whatever. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
People in the market for one should choose whichever one suits their needs and wants better. The rest of us are just giving an opinion. A pissing contest if you will...
We all know which one is easily the best seller of the two, but is it the "better" of the two?
Maybe.............or maybe not (depends on your needs and wants).

I love all cars Davo and am not a one eyed ford fan. I have owned Holden's my entire driving life too. I'm just not a blind idiot who can't see past the lion badge to acknowledge the better car.

[planetdavo]

I love all cars Davo and am not a one eyed ford fan. I have owned Holden's my entire driving life too. I'm just not a blind idiot who can't see past the lion badge to acknowledge the better car.

I'm not a blind idiot either macca, because I've said a number of times in this thread that BOTH cars are excellent examples of what Australia can produce, and I even said way earlier that I'd happily own either. I just said why I agree the HSV is a better overall package. Maybe not the quickest, but better to own for most people.
But, I suppose, when you are so open minded and all as you say you are, one wouldn't have expected you to have missed those details- whilst in apparently so much of a rush to post up another pro-Ford/anti-Holden comment on this forum and all...

[C4B]

The moderation team is not going to tolerate these Primary School name calling sessions any longer.

This is a "grown ups" forum and if you cannot control your childish name calling of each other your days on this forum will cease PERMANENTLY.

Consider this a first and final warning. The next time I see tit for tat name calling, the ban stick will get a workout.

If you have a problem with a post, REPORT IT.

Play the Ball not the Player, because if it happens again, it will be CYA!!!!!

PS: If I get any PM's complaining that "It wasn't me, it was him!" It won't end well!

[Plenty]

acknowledge the better car.

In your opinion what makes it the "better" car? i mean it's your own personal opinion and your entitled to it just like i am but surely it takes more than a powerful engine and good gearbox to give it the title?

On a side note, they are some shite sprint times for all of the cars in that Drive review, especially the 300 SRT8 i mean it should have romped over the HSV and been right there with the FPV.

[adr8]

I read the following on the FPV forum, interesting to see they are discussing the same thing lol

" The VE's prime chassis balance advantage comes from a balance advantage. Not suspension geometry or tune or even tyre size. The VE's front axle is set forward relative to the cabin of vehicle and the mass of the engine. This puts more of the weight behind the front axle. Creating better 'balance'. It's like a see saw. A small shift out makes a huge difference.

To illustrate the point. Two large Euro sedans. Its more dispassionate than a Holden and a Ford. One the BMW, famous for its chassis balance the other, Audi, for its nose heavy handling and wooden steering. Look at the relationship front bumper to front wheel to A pillar. The VE resembles the BMW whereas the FG is more closely aligned to the Audi with a massive front overhang.

Given the same suspension geometry and grip level the forward axle car will always point in better than a set back axle car. In years gone by these differences have been masked by one makes advantage in another area but as we get closer to the edge the ability to gain an advantage gets harder.

An FG gains over the VE with a better suspension design but gives it all back by having the axle set back. An FG with a forward axle design would simply drive around the outside of a VE."

[macca_779]

In your opinion what makes it the "better" car? i mean it's your own personal opinion and your entitled to it just like i am but surely it takes more than a powerful engine and good gearbox to give it the title?

On a side note, they are some shite sprint times for all of the cars in that Drive review, especially the 300 SRT8 i mean it should have romped over the HSV and been right there with the FPV.

IMO the engine makes it the MUCH better car. Everything else is so close anyway. I even prefer the ICC of the FG over the EDI in the VE which is a lot of wank combined with poor software. The GT's auto is alot better and its a quicker handler which for me is a win as neither of these cars can be considered jaw rattling uncomfortable.

I'd take the HSV seats though. But then i would take my VT seats over the VE ones too.

I really do have to dig deep to think of anything the HSV does better certainly not much of the fun stuff. The GT even sounds better ALOT BETTER. bi modle through the EDI is a nice feature, o and so is the better cruise control in the HSV. Steering wheel controls are better in the VE. O and I can tune the VE.

That's about all I've got.

In the end though like I said before. It's all about that engine. Its brilliant stock. But the fact that we can get 400rwkw out of it so damn easily cannot be understated.

Ma and Pa probably don't care about the rip snorter engine. But then they probably aren't in the market for a HSV or FPV either. It used to be enthusiasts bought these cars. And as an enthusiast I think the GT is the better car and not by a little. Before the new engine I'd take the HSV FWIW.


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[SUZUKI MALISHA]

Yeah read that review. It was a test of road and track performance, so was a review of a different aspect of the cars compared to the Wheels one, which was purely a road based test, so more representative of the average owner.
There will quite obviously be variances between different testers. You rarely ever get the same result from all the different testers, as many aim for different readership markets.
I wouldn't recommend believing your favourite brand is always the best because of the Drive result though fella. I mean, this paper gave 14 different cars a car of the year award last year...
Just like the Wheels story, it is a piece to read and form your own opinion on (if people can remove bias from their interpretation of the result). The common theme over a variety of tests is that the HSV's are a better road car to own, and the FPV's (because of their engine) are a better strip car. Depends what floats people's boats really.

i just cant help but bite planet davo ..i cant. Seriously the stuff you come up with, its like you assume everyone will just listen to your selective summary of a topic or in this case a track test (which i told you ive been waiting for). And the Gt Rspec absolutely kills the HSV...theres no denying it. And if you think Im being unbiased as a closet fpv fan...check out the article yourself. You say everyday driveability is what gives the HSVs the win(unbiasedly im sure).But thats only a very small category in the overall rankings that are needed to seperate any unbiased opinions from facts. ITS GOT A HELL OF A LOT TO MAKE UP FOR IN 'DRIVEABILTY to match the rspec in the performance areas. You saw the video...the Rspec handles the corners superbly for a sports sedan.And it absolutely destroys both the srt8 and hsv in the video. despite the posted times being what looked more then a sec off what weve allready seen and expect from all 3 models.
As for uoteable facts "It gets our nod because it best meets its brief of a hard-core road-and-track weapon." Im pretty sure thats what these cars are designed for.
"The HSV is just a little imprecise when pushed to the limit and its interior doesn't quite reflect its price tag." Admittedly still very good away from the track.
"The manual shift quality is way better, too" -in the rspec that is..and the clutch not as stiff either. And i dont need to point it out for you but the launch control still doesnt work. Hsv suffered from brake fade too.

"The only downside to the GT R-Spec is its horribly lurid graphics suggesting a romp in a patch of overripe strawberries"

So what the NON biased FACTS show us again is that the HSV is still slow when compared, and overated by it endearing fans. The FpVs only downsides compared to the HSV seem to be purely personel preference items. nothing to do with performance at all.

Waiting for the ussual response...well hsv sells more so it must be better...haha please. Holden also sells more colorados,cruzes,barina,captivas and commadore 6s and all are far from best in class.
Interesting they didnt release laptimes dont you think?

The reason this review gets way more credability then the wheels ones....Their latest review was just given to theGTS over the New Rspec...but the standard GT335 in an earlier review was only just piped by the HSVs. So what...are they telling me all those rspec upgrades have made the GT loose ground...hahaha....muppets...no consistency.

[SUZUKI MALISHA]

IMO the engine makes it the MUCH better car. Everything else is so close anyway. I even prefer the ICC of the FG over the EDI in the VE which is a lot of wank combined with poor software. The GT's auto is alot better and its a quicker handler which for me is a win as neither of these cars can be considered jaw rattling uncomfortable.

I'd take the HSV seats though. But then i would take my VT seats over the VE ones too.

I really do have to dig deep to think of anything the HSV does better certainly not much of the fun stuff. The GT even sounds better ALOT BETTER. bi modle through the EDI is a nice feature, o and so is the better cruise control in the HSV. Steering wheel controls are better in the VE. O and I can tune the VE.

That's about all I've got.

In the end though like I said before. It's all about that engine. Its brilliant stock. But the fact that we can get 400rwkw out of it so damn easily cannot be understated.

Ma and Pa probably don't care about the rip snorter engine. But then they probably aren't in the market for a HSV or FPV either. It used to be enthusiasts bought these cars. And as an enthusiast I think the GT is the better car and not by a little. Before the new engine I'd take the HSV FWIW.


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Im not sure id agree about the exhaust sounding better on the GT or the seats...but ill give you the ICC i like better aswell(its bigger, higher, and easier to use..and its not tryhard either). But all these particular things mean nothing as they are all personnel preference and effect sales..not which is the BEST performance car.
But thats ok....VF isnt far off

[Angeldust]

i doubt anyone really cares. Most here will/do enjoy their car so much that they dont give a crap whether some other limited
edition car is a poofteenth faster or not. The worst is the constant crap from people that will never own one or even drive one.

From my observations, most hsv/holden owners are satisfied with their vehicles performance and its only the silly ford fans
that constantly whinge why people choose the holden/hsv product over their beloved blue oval badged cars. Visit the ford
forums and count how many holden/hsv threads there are lol. Visist WRX forums, nobody cares about holden or ford. Visit
nissan forums, nobody cares about holden/ford/wrx. Visit bmw forums, nobody cares about holden/ford/nissan/wrx. Visist
Holden forums, nobody cares about ford/wrx/nissan/bmw.
Now visit ford forum and its boo hoo hooo, holoden this, holden that..... lol

[Angeldust]

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lol

I should add, i admire the Ford owners that bought the GT Boss engined cars, knowing that they were slower than any ls
engine cars and any I6T cars. They bought on the merit that they satisfied their need for enthusiastic driving and the
feeling that only comes from owning the cars you have always wanted.

[Jamolad]

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