Commodore dead by end of 2016?

[Goggles]

I did a long drive yesterday and was surprised to see how many SUV type vehicles were on the road. my SSV is a rare beast these days!! I see a couple of problems with SUVs - what is their purchase cost and running costs compared with traditional large sedans? Also given their lack of power and torque, it is no wonder long lines of traffic on highways build up - no one can pass. I might be old school and would only buy anything with a Holden badge, but I also want my daily driver to have a V8. there is no SUV that meets my needs. what do I do if I want to buy a cheapish new car with a V8 in post 2016/2018 when apparently the Commodore is going out of production? the 300c is not in my price range, but a SSV is.

[Smitty]

I did a long drive yesterday and was surprised to see how many SUV type vehicles were on the road. my SSV is a rare beast these days!! I see a couple of problems with SUVs - what is their purchase cost and running costs compared with traditional large sedans? Also given their lack of power and torque, it is no wonder long lines of traffic on highways build up - no one can pass. I might be old school and would only buy anything with a Holden badge, but I also want my daily driver to have a V8. there is no SUV that meets my needs. what do I do if I want to buy a cheapish new car with a V8 in post 2016/2018 when apparently the Commodore is going out of production? the 300c is not in my price range, but a SSV is.

..blame Paul Keating


he has always said his biggest mistake whilst Federal Treasurer
..was NOT taxing the S*#T of the (then increasing ) imports of 4WDs and them other funny 4WD thingies


ps..I refuse to call them SUVs (from them yankee marketing 'experts')
Sporty they ain't (we all know that) and..
Utility..there is only one type of REAL utility in Australia and its NOT a Prado

[C4B]

I refuse to call them SUVs (from them yankee marketing 'experts')
Sporty they ain't (we all know that) and..
Utility..there is only one type of REAL utility in Australia and its NOT a Prado

I agree it's such a stupid term.

I think it's just a name they made up for things like 2wd Rav4's, Klugers and Territories so their owners don't realise they've bought a car that looks like a 4WD but has the off road ability of a Sportwagon.

[Goggles]

I agree it's such a stupid term.

I think it's just a name they made up for things like 2wd Rav4's, Klugers and Territories so their owners don't realise they've bought a car that looks like a 4WD but has the off road ability of a Sportwagon.

yep agree, which is why I asked the question, most look ugly and probably have the aerodynamics of a brick with no real redeeming features

[ATOMIC MALOO R8]

that's NOT all true
we recently sold our GTO and got a TURBO DIESEL 392 nm / 135 KW 2lt A6 AWD sportage platinum SUV you can laugh BUT it DOES blow away 200 series land cruisers v8 , and stock 308 Holdens and 6cyl N/A falcons from the lights ( i do it on regular base's some guys line up to or three times ) the 392 NM is great
up to 80 km not sure how it would beyond that but it sure gets of the mark quick
we did a 1500k trip when it was new and it hits 160 km when passing with no problems so it doesn't hold up the traffic much ( i will admit some of the other brands we drove were awful ) lol

[Plenty]

that's NOT all true
we recently sold our GTO and got a TURBO DIESEL 392 nm / 135 KW 2lt A6 AWD sportage platinum SUV you can laugh BUT it DOES blow away 200 series land cruisers v8 , and stock 308 Holdens and 6cyl N/A falcons from the lights ( i do it on regular base's some guys line up to or three times ) the 392 NM is great
up to 80 km not sure how it would beyond that but it sure gets of the mark quick
we did a 1500k trip when it was new and it hits 160 km when passing with no problems so it doesn't hold up the traffic much ( i will admit some of the other brands we drove were awful ) lol

Sorry but i reckon your racing some old grandpa in a VN Commodore even though i reckon a VN would still smoke you!

Kia Sportage Platinum @ 1588Kg 135Kw 392Nm 0-100km/h = 9.6sec top speed 190km/h

FG Falcon G6E @ 1704Kg 4.0l 195Kw 391Nm 0-100km/h = 7.3sec top speed 200Km/h + limited

VE Commodore Omega @ 1690Kg 190Kw 290Nm 0-100km/h 7.7sec 200 Km/h + limited

And to quote a journalist opinion on it "Any suggestions of sporty is just a mirage, Thrifty turbo diesel impressive only on paper". Diesels have the perceived quickness because of their low down torque but in most of them it is only that perception!

Sorry mate just another traffic clogger.......

P.S. I'm still laughing btw....

[IJ.]

LOL @ "Traffic Clogger"..

in his defence though he did say to 80
(might hit a wall @ 80 and then take 4 seconds to get to 100)

[ATOMIC MALOO R8]

LOL
FAIR ENOUGH
i wasn't referring to LATE model stuff , i should have said FROM WHAT YEAR
and yes it does hit a wall at about 50ks but at the lights its all over by then if i stay at the legal speed limit LOL

one thing i don't have to worry about smoking the tires lol , not like the ute

[mjrandom]

My issue with SUVs is the marketing that suggests they are a genuine alternative for a car AND a 4WD. I know we are in the lucky position to have both a nice car and a couple of modded 4WDs. Sand tacks around the Fraser coast this Christmas were pretty soggy given the lack of rain. We rescued 7 of these things in a week. Sure lack of driver skill plays a part but SUVs aren't as capable and that is that. A few made it through but chopped up the tracks badly in the process. Even had one tosser arrive in his Outback strutting around telling anyone in the camp who couldn't avoid it how good his Subie was and why waste money on a piece of **** 4WD. I didn't point out the cubic metres is sand pissing out of the plastic engine guards or the front valence panel which was torn and gaping from an impact with the sand at too many km/h. A bit like the drivers who question why I drive so slowly on the soft stuff. Because I can!

[C4B]

My issue with SUVs is the marketing that suggests they are a genuine alternative for a car AND a 4WD. I know we are in the lucky position to have both a nice car and a couple of modded 4WDs. Sand tacks around the Fraser coast this Christmas were pretty soggy given the lack of rain. We rescued 7 of these things in a week. Sure lack of driver skill plays a part but SUVs aren't as capable and that is that. A few made it through but chopped up the tracks badly in the process. Even had one tosser arrive in his Outback strutting around telling anyone in the camp who couldn't avoid it how good his Subie was and why waste money on a piece of **** 4WD. I didn't point out the cubic metres is sand pissing out of the plastic engine guards or the front valence panel which was torn and gaping from an impact with the sand at too many km/h. A bit like the drivers who question why I drive so slowly on the soft stuff. Because I can!

We do a lot of beach work (normally towing our off-road camper trailer) and hear the same sort of comments from guys in the soft roaders. And to be fair, they do (eventually) get almost everywhere we do, but some of the tracks that we literally idle through (towing over a tonne), they have to attack at 100mph and even then still only just make it.

People tend to think of 4WD's and AWD's as the same thing. And in the burbs that's pretty true, but the reality is an AWD is great if you're attacking a wet dirt road, but in powdery sand (say Indian Head) they're not worth a pinch of shit.

[Jag530G]

People tend to think of 4WD's and AWD's as the same thing. And in the burbs that's pretty true, but the reality is an AWD is great if you're attacking a wet dirt road, but in powdery sand (say Indian Head) they're not worth a pinch of shit.

I think AWD type cars like Klugers simply have the ground clearance that old Holdens and Fords had, good for driving down moderate dirt roads that you wouldn't take a modern Ford and Commodore because of the low ground clearance, low profile tyres and (maybe) low front spoiler.

BTW the Americans have another label besides SUVs. CUVs, Compact Utility Vehicle, basically RAV 4 et al. SUVs are more Kluger sized+

Cheers, Matthew

[Plenty]

I think AWD type cars like Klugers simply have the ground clearance that old Holdens and Fords had, good for driving down moderate dirt roads that you wouldn't take a modern Ford and Commodore because of the low ground clearance, low profile tyres and (maybe) low front spoiler.

BTW the Americans have another label besides SUVs. CUVs, Compact Utility Vehicle, basically RAV 4 et al. SUVs are more Kluger sized+

Cheers, Matthew

Ahh the Kluger, the one and only ever vehicle to roll over during the Wheels Car Of The Year program during ESP testing. lol

[bouka]

We just got back from nz and had a brand new kluger for a week. Leather etc and the 200kw v6. We drove over 2000klm in that week (family reunion, my wife is from unzud) and was ok. Cheap plastics and the v6 is gutless, but handled ok (plenty of twists and turns) for what it is. Our other car is tarago (I have a lot of kids) and that has been great.

I think we need to put all of these other vehicles into perspective. Having a dig at the other stuff doesn't make ours better and there are a lot of great imported cars.

I personally don't understand the suv phenomenon either, but the market is speaking and it ain't good for commo or falcon. Why? WTFK!

[Angeldust]

Amazing how many people willl this Australia day be putting on the Aussie flag on their Imported cars.

At least i will be 'hooning' past them in my 'Australian' car. I will be proud.

[VYBerlinaV8]

Amazing how many people willl this Australia day be putting on the Aussie flag on their Imported cars.

At least i will be 'hooning' past them in my 'Australian' car. I will be proud.

Will that the one with the yank engine?