VF SS and SSV to have 6.2ltr

[planetdavo]

Huh? Is this why commodore and falcon are going broke?

Why try coz we will do something better next time?

I am not at all sentimental about anything related to technology. Hell, I thought a Nokia 5100 was awesome a few years ago. But Nokia buyers moved on and so are Holden buyers.

There should be a new drivetrain. If the I-phone came out with a modern look and 5100 interface how many would they sell?

JJW

Think you fail to represent where the market is these days.
Holden have spent the big bucks on the interior finish and tech, as that is what most buyers care more about. Bigger, more powerful engines aren't where most buyers are at by a long shot.
Witness the fact FPV are STILL struggling to move FG's, despite the engines they have. Witness the 2 door Toyota/Subaru twins people are STILL lining up to buy months away, powered by a 2.0 flat four without a turbo or supercharger in sight.
Welcome to the new world order...
PS: Apple could sell a motorola brick and people would still reckon it's cool. It's not a good example.

[whitels1ss]

PS: Apple could sell a motorola brick and people would still reckon it's cool. It's not a good example.

Ouch!

planetdavo, sometimes I think you deserve all you get back!

[planetdavo]

Ouch!

planetdavo, sometimes I think you deserve all you get back!

I can almost feel the knives in my back already!

[JJW501]

Think you fail to represent where the market is these days.
Holden have spent the big bucks on the interior finish and tech, as that is what most buyers care more about. Bigger, more powerful engines aren't where most buyers are at by a long shot.
Witness the fact FPV are STILL struggling to move FG's, despite the engines they have. Witness the 2 door Toyota/Subaru twins people are STILL lining up to buy months away, powered by a 2.0 flat four without a turbo or supercharger in sight.
Welcome to the new world order...
PS: Apple could sell a motorola brick and people would still reckon it's cool. It's not a good example.

I agree that the majority of the market are very sensitive to fuel consumption.

It would be interesting to get some figures on the % of SS commodores that get modified (any mod). That would give an interesting statistic regarding the % of buyers who are performance orientated. My mate just bought a demo VE Calais Sportswagon V8 for towing his boat. He will not modify it, nor drive it on a daily basis - it is purely a tow vehicle. He would buy whether it was 5.7, 6.0, 6.2, supercharged or not. The V6 offers ample power for general driving, so I would have assumed the average SS buyer is sensitive to performance or using it to tow.

Hmmm apple has been a wonder story but they are kind of tanking at the minute......we will see if they pull through or Samsung continues their own success story at apple's expense. But we are off topic.....

The LS3 is on the shelf, I reckon it would have been a no brainer to bolt it on. Maybe add the VCT heads to the 6.0 if they want to chase economy + power together. Something would be better than nothing. And we are wise to Holden's trick of hanging onto drivetrains, it sounds like the enthusiast market is going to wait....

I think they are missing sales with the 6.0L, that is all.

JJW

[whitels1ss]

I agree that the majority of the market are very sensitive to fuel consumption.

It would be interesting to get some figures on the % of SS commodores that get modified (any mod). That would give an interesting statistic regarding the % of buyers who are performance orientated. My mate just bought a demo VE Calais Sportswagon V8 for towing his boat. He will not modify it, nor drive it on a daily basis - it is purely a tow vehicle. He would buy whether it was 5.7, 6.0, 6.2, supercharged or not. The V6 offers ample power for general driving, so I would have assumed the average SS buyer is sensitive to performance or using it to tow.

Hmmm apple has been a wonder story but they are kind of tanking at the minute......we will see if they pull through or Samsung continues their own success story at apple's expense. But we are off topic.....

The LS3 is on the shelf, I reckon it would have been a no brainer to bolt it on. Maybe add the VCT heads to the 6.0 if they want to chase economy + power together. Something would be better than nothing. And we are wise to Holden's trick of hanging onto drivetrains, it sounds like the enthusiast market is going to wait....

I think they are missing sales with the 6.0L, that is all.

JJW

I think I read somewhere they are selling plenty of Clubsports with the 6.2 engine,
this might be part of the reason why Clubsports are selling so well
so I think they have most people's options well covered.


The SS is only the entry level model in the performance line up.

[Drizt]

There should be a new drivetrain.

Simple question, why?

What is wrong with the current engines?

This is not directed at anyone but I'm starting to think that people would find something to complain about no matter what.

The VF interior is good enough reason to by the VF over the outgoing VE. It really is that much of a jump.

[BLACKVE]

Simple question, why?

What is wrong with the current engines?

This is not directed at anyone but I'm starting to think that people would find something to complain about no matter what.

The VF interior is good enough reason to by the VF over the outgoing VE. It really is that much of a jump.

3 Ve's is our garage, AFM SS, 08 M6 SS ute and 08 3.6 Berlina on gas.

The V6 sounds terrible and needs refinment and torque(for the later 3l variants especially) but as you say the 6L is a good donk, just a tweak and 280kw would be sweet.

[701let]

Simple question, why?

What is wrong with the current engines?

This is not directed at anyone but I'm starting to think that people would find something to complain about no matter what.

The VF interior is good enough reason to by the VF over the outgoing VE. It really is that much of a jump.

Exactly! There's nothing wrong with the current engines. Seriously the vf is a major upgrade interior and tech wise which is what was complained about before. But as you said people always need something to complain about.

As for people worrying that if they buy one of the first Vfs with the 'inferior' engine then having resale affect well it hasn't really seemed to affect the e series hsv with the ls2 vs ls3. There isn't a huge difference in resale prices.

Obviously vt1 to vt2 was different

[FFAMan]

I am an avid Holden supporter and have driven one since 1987 (VL) - every model they try to upgrade right?

just really disappointed the new VF has the same 'old' VE engine - i am really dismayed with the holden management serving up this cold dish and maybe if there is enough backlash on this they might chnage their mind???

we should not justify holdens poor decision to put old techonolgy into a new car and say you can add a mod to fix their mistake...i keep my car in mint condition and run it out of the box...so why dont you put an LS3 or LT1 in it!!!!!!!

Why would you blow future upgrade headspace when Holden consumers have proven time and again they'll buy their products regardless of performance deficiencies??
It makes no sense.

[tunga]

i've never laughed sooo hard in my life!!

That's good , I love to make people happy!,but I drove It and that's how it felt for me ,maybe I'm just a Proud Aussie looking for the best in our local product and my patriotic bias blurred my assessment ,however i make no apologies for that, at least I have enough credibility to be given access to a proper test drive ,in a brand new and expensive car ,and I didnt make my mind up before I started that because its a C63 with this many Kws and that much torque and costs double , it must feel better ,go better and be better !!

[whitels1ss]

That's good , I love to make people happy!,but I drove It and that's how it felt for me ,maybe I'm just a Proud Aussie looking for the best in our local product and my patriotic bias blurred my assessment ,however i make no apologies for that, at least I have enough credibility to be given access to a proper test drive ,in a brand new and expensive car ,and I didnt make my mind up before I started that because its a C63 with this many Kws and that much torque and costs double , it must feel better ,go better and be better !!

What did you buy instead of the Mercedes then?

[tunga]

What did you buy instead of the Mercedes then?

I haven't bought anything just yet ,but I love the look of the new VF and Ill wait for the VF HSV for sure before committing to anything , i did take a new 300SRT for a run ,and i can tell you it had real ball tearing grunt ,real old school V8 grunt,the thing was it was such a big car ,that put me off a little .

[whitels1ss]

Thanks for your reply buddy.

It will be interesting to see what you do buy in the end then, please come back and let us know.
I always find it interesting to see the reasons why people buy cars.

[mjrandom]

I know this thread isn't about the VF HSVs but it fits with the last few posts. Last year when there were a few comments about a S/C GTS I happened to be in the dealership I have bought the last two Clubbies from talking to one of the sales guys. I was in a quandary having decided to go for an M3 or C63 but after test drives felt that I was missing something. Certainly the bang crash over our lovely roads had me cringing. The E2 was ready for replacement and maybe a Senator or GT (of some sort) beckoned. I made a throw away comment that when the S/C GTS is announced give me a call. I very nearly optioned an E3 Senator with brakes etc but a few words with people in the know stayed my wallet. My E2 is still great with only 50k so I can wait. Well I got the phone call last week and it looks like I am going to drop a deposit on a car I haven't seen, for a price that I don't know. Deposit is subject to appearance and cost etc but this is not something I would do normally and I would probably laugh if someone told me that they had done the same thing. I know I told a mate he was mad for dropping a deposit on a then unknown Golf GTI mark VI (?) but it was a year away at the time. Will be an interesting few months. I think that people who want an LS3 in a first edition VF SS need a bit of a reality check. The VF appears to be something very special both in terms of interior and spec. What have been the complaints here for the last 3 or 4 years? Dated interior, not oh it needs another 200cc of LS goodness. From what I have seen I like it which is why I will be setting aside some cash for 6 months or so. I had an E1 with LS2 and I didn't lose out when selling but the change from LS3 to LT1 might be a different story, I hope not though for Holden and HSVs sake.

[redvxr8clubby]

I know this thread isn't about the VF HSVs but it fits with the last few posts. Last year when there were a few comments about a S/C GTS I happened to be in the dealership I have bought the last two Clubbies from talking to one of the sales guys. I was in a quandary having decided to go for an M3 or C63 but after test drives felt that I was missing something. Certainly the bang crash over our lovely roads had me cringing. The E2 was ready for replacement and maybe a Senator or GT (of some sort) beckoned. I made a throw away comment that when the S/C GTS is announced give me a call. I very nearly optioned an E3 Senator with brakes etc but a few words with people in the know stayed my wallet. My E2 is still great with only 50k so I can wait. Well I got the phone call last week and it looks like I am going to drop a deposit on a car I haven't seen, for a price that I don't know. Deposit is subject to appearance and cost etc but this is not something I would do normally and I would probably laugh if someone told me that they had done the same thing. I know I told a mate he was mad for dropping a deposit on a then unknown Golf GTI mark VI (?) but it was a year away at the time. Will be an interesting few months. I think that people who want an LS3 in a first edition VF SS need a bit of a reality check. The VF appears to be something very special both in terms of interior and spec. What have been the complaints here for the last 3 or 4 years? Dated interior, not oh it needs another 200cc of LS goodness. From what I have seen I like it which is why I will be setting aside some cash for 6 months or so. I had an E1 with LS2 and I didn't lose out when selling but the change from LS3 to LT1 might be a different story, I hope not though for Holden and HSVs sake.

So correct me if I'm wrong, you're saying you have put a deposit on a F series GTS (supercharged)?