FPV's 351kw GT-F more powerful than HSV's 430kw GTS, How did this happen?

[VBhero]

How about a Dodge?

I cannot get enough of that video!

[IJ.]

Do want

[Mr Frit]

With The Commodore nearing the end of production (2016-17). History needs to be set straight with the LS3 placed in the Holden SS, and with a blown LT1 in the HSV.

[jc_sv8]

With The Commodore nearing the end of production (2016-17). History needs to be set straight with the LS3 placed in the Holden SS, and with a blown LT1 in the HSV.

Yep, I'm waiting for the LS3 flappy paddled Redline then my hard earned readies can go into a Holden salesman's skyrocket.

[Plenty]

Yep, I'm waiting for the LS3 flappy paddled Redline then my hard earned readies can go into a Holden salesman's skyrocket.

Aint gonna happen in my opinion! Since the GenIII we have not seen an LS motor in a Holden badged product...... It has been the sole domain and a point of differentiation between the HSV and the Holden. Even if the HSV do get the LT1 i still doubt they would bring the LS3 into the Holden product, it just doesn't meet they're quest for fuel economy. Maybe the L99 will but even that is a stretch.

[Plenty]

How about a Dodge?

What a beast! How does it go on a track? I imagine it is aimed at the Mustang more than say the Corvette in terms of handling. I have never driven either so it's only a guess.

[offshore]

What a beast! How does it go on a track? I imagine it is aimed at the Mustang more than say the Corvette in terms of handling. I have never driven either so it's only a guess.

I hope that 700hp dodge comes to Australia would be really amusing

[JimmyXR6T04]

The VF redline will still do it for outright driving. The XR8 will be quicker that's for sure, put em both on a track and I reckon the XR8 will be the one doing the drive of shame. You just can't hide the that chassis, it'll be a good car for the money and a modders dream but again it'll only have that one thing. Power!

And for some people power is all they want... i pretty much fall into that category at the moment. Would i get the same enjoyment driving a redline, i doubt it. The joy i get from the looks on people's faces when they are a passenger and i stomp the go pedal is priceless. The redline would not have the same impact, no where near it i don't think.

As for the track, not too many head to track, so i know what i'd get more use out of. As for handling, a set of shockworks coilovers for 2k and some wider rear tyres absolutely transformed the car, it really does sit on rails in comparison, and the twisty stuff is plenty of fun. I haven't even played with firmer settings yet, it's still on soft. Horses for courses though i reckon, i don't often get to drive on the twisty stuff (and when i do, i have to go alone or with a mate, and my kids can't enjoy it due to car sickness lol), so most of my or my kids 'fun' comes from a hard 1st or 2nd gear roll on, up a ramp or from the lights.

At the end of the day it's all a 'mine's bigger than yours' thing.

People choose cars for many different reasons, i love the VF, and if the redline had the LSA or a factory supercharged motor, i may not have ended up with the GT.

Can't go wrong with either car IMO though, both fun, both plenty powerful enough!

Edit - that Dodge is bloody insane!! Can't imagine what it would feel like with that much power and torque from the factory!!

[planetdavo]

And for some people power is all they want... i pretty much fall into that category at the moment. Would i get the same enjoyment driving a redline, i doubt it. The joy i get from the looks on people's faces when they are a passenger and i stomp the go pedal is priceless. The redline would not have the same impact, no where near it i don't think.

As for the track, not too many head to track, so i know what i'd get more use out of. As for handling, a set of shockworks coilovers for 2k and some wider rear tyres absolutely transformed the car, it really does sit on rails in comparison, and the twisty stuff is plenty of fun. I haven't even played with firmer settings yet, it's still on soft. Horses for courses though i reckon, i don't often get to drive on the twisty stuff (and when i do, i have to go alone or with a mate, and my kids can't enjoy it due to car sickness lol), so most of my or my kids 'fun' comes from a hard 1st or 2nd gear roll on, up a ramp or from the lights.

At the end of the day it's all a 'mine's bigger than yours' thing.

People choose cars for many different reasons, i love the VF, and if the redline had the LSA or a factory supercharged motor, i may not have ended up with the GT.

Can't go wrong with either car IMO though, both fun, both plenty powerful enough!

Whether it's suspension mods or engine porformance mods, it's no longer a "showroom spec" new car, so saying "if I do coilovers" or whatever is really no different to someone on the other side of the fence saying "if I add a blower" or whatever.
It's all extra money spent to change the car.

[offshore]

People choose cars for many different reasons, i love the VF, and if the redline had the LSA or a factory supercharged motor,

My redline has the LSA! Must have been a factory mistake im going to ask them about it next time I go for service.

[jc_sv8]

How about a Dodge?

10.85 off the showroom floor. 1 Hellcat please sir.

[planetdavo]

Yep true, but it wouldn't be as easy as you think to get the same level of handling with the same amount of compliance etc. As a molded track car though I reckon she'll be a bit of a weapon for the price.

Exactly.
You can fairly easily make a so-so handling car a track weapon if you make it a harsh dog of a daily driver...
Depends what you want in a car. If traffic light drags and dyno graphs are your thing then they are your main priority. Whereas others will sacrifice outright performance to gain a big dose of comfort, style and tech- but still have "pretty good" performance and economy.

[JimmyXR6T04]

Whether it's suspension mods or engine porformance mods, it's no longer a "showroom spec" new car, so saying "if I do coilovers" or whatever is really no different to someone on the other side of the fence saying "if I add a blower" or whatever.
It's all extra money spent to change the car.

Yep, well aware of that mate. My point was though, for me, it was about the outright power and that relentless feeling of forced induction. I don't keep my cars standard, regardless, but it would have cost me a lot more to get the redline to make the same power as the GT, but to get the GT to handle better was relative peanuts in comparison.

The thing is, with the coilovers added the car isn't anymore uncomfortable than standard, and it's still set on the softest setting, so dialing it up some more will see even more gains in the handling department, but at some cost of comfort. I haven't felt the need to sacrifice my comfort though.

Sure the redline has more tech, but i've been there before when i bought my WM caprice, all the tech in the world didn't make up for the lack of sheer FI grunt i craved. As i said, people are different. I'm not about being a dyno queen, or traffic light warrior, quite often i simply meander around. But damn it's a hell of a lot of fun when i do decide to put the foot down and release some of those ponies to the blacktop.

For me, the drive and the grunt far outweigh the other 'luxuries'... I have outright performance, on road comfort and something capable of handling very well due to a cheap suspension upgrade, just missing the tech of the VF. I can live with that though, especially as now i've just made the GT a weekender. Anyway, it's all well off topic! I'm just glad that i live in a time that i can actually afford to pick any car i want from either offering.

My redline has the LSA! Must have been a factory mistake im going to ask them about it next time I go for service.

haha, would be an awesome car you have mate! do you have a thread on it?? i'll have to check it out, i'll do a search!

[BLACKVE]

Exactly.
You can fairly easily make a so-so handling car a track weapon if you make it a harsh dog of a daily driver...
Depends what you want in a car. If traffic light drags and dyno graphs are your thing then they are your main priority. Whereas others will sacrifice outright performance to gain a big dose of comfort, style and tech- but still have "pretty good" performance and economy.

Most on here get exhaust headers cats and tune straight up on there VE' and VF and still won't be up to a ford 5Litre

Holden had 270kws in 2006 and now in 2014 we have 260(auto or 270 in M6), holden need to move to 290 or so atleast.

[planetdavo]

Most on here get exhaust headers cats and tune straight up on there VE' and VF and still won't be up to a ford 5Litre

Holden had 270kws in 2006 and now in 2014 we have 260(auto or 270 in M6), holden need to move to 290 or so atleast.

Like I said, different people have different priorities. Quite obviously, internet forum members expectations are regularly quite different to mainstream buyers expectations.
The world has changed. More people prioritise economy now- even with V8's- and it's an area that noticeable improvements have been made (without actually losing on-road "performance"). For those that want more performance and a bit less economy, that would be why HSV exist. More expensive, but you get more.
If people are happy to have the supercharged Miami and coilovers, and will put up with the taxi spec interior and poor "tall boy" seating position, well, that again is up to them to decide what are their most important priorities in a new car are...