Fpv gt rspec

[Martin_D]

According to you in the past Martin, every road car has to have all wheel drive to be considered "safe". No amount of electronics can make a two wheel drive car "safe" for regular drivers.

Not safe - FAST
But safe for numpties as well (as long as they arent going fast)

[planetdavo]

Not safe - FAST
But safe for numpties as well (as long as they arent going fast)

Most road car buyers aren't after lap times Martin. I'm sure you are aware of that. In fact, the compulsary fuel consumption penalty that comes with dragging around all that unnecessary hardware is what's more likely to be of interest to many.
To call new car buyers that don't prioritise quarter mile or lap times as being "numpties" says plenty really.

[Kuzman89]

Might just be under the weather a bit, but I agree with davo on this one. I don't think it's that big of a stretch that HSV won these "mag" tests, they make a good product for the coin, and not everything is about straight line performance.

[bouka]

Let's, just for a minute, forget about color or brand etc.

The measuring stick for performance cars has long been straight line performance. All manufacturers will quote these times, most (if not all) magazines will test and publish these parameters, and most enthusiasts will look for these times when they open the mag (fpv has not done it, and until recently we all know why). These times are used in all sorts of marketing campaigns and advertising material by manufacturers etc.

Australia has a long and proud history with performance/muscle cars going back many decades. This small but unbelievably capable nation has long punched well above its weight when it comes to manufacturing brilliant performance cars. Many a sepo has often said how envious they are, especially over the last decade, of our local performance sedans (and coupes in the brilliant Monaro).

What we have with the rspec gt, as with the w427 before it, is Australia's fastest ever performance car. Not only has it reset the record books with its straight line performance, it has also taken it to, and in many cases, embarrassed many cars costing several times the price.

0-100 in 4.6
0-400 in 12.6 at 189klm (that's 118mph fellas)

And that is for a manual and by the most conservative magazine when it comes to performance testing (2 up etc).

Gotta love Aussie muscle cars!

[Martin_D]

Both FPV and HSV make a good product for the coin. Chocolate or Vanilla? A lot of the component manufacture is the same
Embrace

[SUZUKI MALISHA]

i am a die hard hsv supporter..or have been in the past. These articles just become too much and are lame at the best. Your a deadset clown if you cant see the biased crap that some of these journos write. They found it extremely hard to even extract the fastest time of the day from the hsv...they addmitted they had to try multiple times with a very small margin of error to nail a good start....the race mode launch doesnt work and the interior needs a major update(their words..never mine). Now considering the Rspec ford was a manual....and has probly more then 2tenths in it in auto(the auto gearbox 95% of people buy)...then this leaves the current hsv more then a second behind 0-100, more then a second behind down the strip and real world driving were talking 1.5-3secs slower in gear accelleration. THATS MASSIVE. Excuss me but these figures alone tell me the rspec and the chrysler 300 would need to be absolute dog boxes on a track to loose the performance advantage they have. not to mention no word from these clowns that the 300 also was much faster then the R8 and it has the skinny tyres in it OMG.
And lets not forget the fact that these ARE performance cars like i said....hence the focus (as it always has in the past) has to be PERFORMANCE.

And please dont just say im some ford fan..i love my HSVs...its just utter garbage they try an sell people sometimes...and i for one am not a sucker

[bozodos]

Not safe - FAST
But safe for numpties as well (as long as they arent going fast)

Gee Martin, those RWD Corvettes seem to do alright too

[Plenty]

i am a die hard hsv supporter..or have been in the past. These articles just become too much and are lame at the best. Your a deadset clown if you cant see the biased crap that some of these journos write. They found it extremely hard to even extract the fastest time of the day from the hsv...they addmitted they had to try multiple times with a very small margin of error to nail a good start....the race mode launch doesnt work and the interior needs a major update(their words..never mine). Now considering the Rspec ford was a manual....and has probly more then 2tenths in it in auto(the auto gearbox 95% of people buy)...then this leaves the current hsv more then a second behind 0-100, more then a second behind down the strip and real world driving were talking 1.5-3secs slower in gear accelleration. THATS MASSIVE. Excuss me but these figures alone tell me the rspec and the chrysler 300 would need to be absolute dog boxes on a track to loose the performance advantage they have. not to mention no word from these clowns that the 300 also was much faster then the R8 and it has the skinny tyres in it OMG.
And lets not forget the fact that these ARE performance cars like i said....hence the focus (as it always has in the past) has to be PERFORMANCE.

And please dont just say im some ford fan..i love my HSVs...its just utter garbage they try an sell people sometimes...and i for one am not a sucker

If you read the article properly there is NO denial in the FPV's sheer grunt and straight line speed, fact remains it's a one trick horse. For the majority of buyers it won't be an issue but when compared to the HSV it just can't compete dynamically ie. it don't handle good! They have done what every after market boof does and slap on some too firm dampers with little respect for rebound, bump and bump steer. If you read the article there's a few references as to the cars bump compliance or lack thereof.

I can't believe this has turned into pages and pages of the same drivel, the car has a fine driveline, world class as a matter of fact, but it is simply let down by it's archaic chassis and road compliance (we are talking a road car here).
People saying that the magazines are payed of is just ludicrous, there is plenty of expamples where the Falcon or it's variant has beaten the General.
G6E turbo v Calais and the new Ecoboost to name a few. These journalist drive more examples of cars than you and i could dream of, they have more to compare to and can pick the shortcomings of a car with ease, it is their job.

Having a punt from the local lights the FPV wins hands down no doubt, but having a spirited drive through some of our great roads and the FPV is going to suffer. Both have pros and cons just choose which pro and con appeals to you the most.

[Uwish]

LOL if you think the HSVs handle. Its a f@@king boat as well.
You want a BIG 4 door that handles by an M5.
Or a JAP car liek the EVO. Ford and Holden would not know handling if you have them a fist full of $$$$ in a brothel!

I mean what idiot thinks HSVs are a track car? There are so many better and cheaper choices!

[Plenty]

LOL if you think the HSVs handle. Its a f@@king boat as well.
You want a BIG 4 door that handles by an M5.
Or a JAP car liek the EVO. Ford and Holden would not know handling if you have them a fist full of $$$$ in a brothel!

I mean what idiot thinks HSVs are a track car? There are so many better and cheaper choices!

You have missed the point mate, for a large car like the HSV or FPV they handle very well, comparing it to a $250000 M5 is dumb, can you afford one? I can't! If i was in the market for an M5 i sure as hell wouldn't be thinking jeez this thing handles better than a $70000 HSV.

p.s. The comparison is between the FPV and the HSV not any other car and for those that have not quite managed to grasp the concept the FPV trails in dynamics.

[SUZUKI MALISHA]

u obviously have no idea these mag goes know nothing.they didnt even know all the rspec interior changes...they thought it was just a number beside the engine start. Calling the rspec suspension, aftermarket slapstick is a joke. Lookup for your own sake the comprehensive list whats been done. Faaar from aftermarket. And from my experience them saying the R8 doest ride hard is a joke. Even if the test car had the mrc on itd ride hard no matter what setting they tried. In that test the chrysler has by far the sofftest suspension setting when setup and it still went hard in there tests.

Im seriously willing to see results when they actually test the handling of these cars soon. And not some overated opinion from a guy who clearly was fazed by the ugly colour combo and didnt want to give it a chance.

Can see the headline now... "FPV GOES 5SECS FASTER AROUND SYDNEY MOTORPARK....BUT THE HSV WILL GET YOU TO YOUR SHOPPING IN STYLE AND COMFORT"
One of these days theyll do actual reputable testing and reviews which dont embarress us.

[Martin_D]

Gee Martin, those RWD Corvettes seem to do alright too

Go out and buy one and I will line you up in mummys Evo

[Pickles]

If you read the article properly there is NO denial in the FPV's sheer grunt and straight line speed, fact remains it's a one trick horse. For the majority of buyers it won't be an issue but when compared to the HSV it just can't compete dynamically ie. it don't handle good! They have done what every after market boof does and slap on some too firm dampers with little respect for rebound, bump and bump steer. If you read the article there's a few references as to the cars bump compliance or lack thereof.

I can't believe this has turned into pages and pages of the same drivel, the car has a fine driveline, world class as a matter of fact, but it is simply let down by it's archaic chassis and road compliance (we are talking a road car here).
People saying that the magazines are payed of is just ludicrous, there is plenty of expamples where the Falcon or it's variant has beaten the General.
G6E turbo v Calais and the new Ecoboost to name a few. These journalist drive more examples of cars than you and i could dream of, they have more to compare to and can pick the shortcomings of a car with ease, it is their job.

Having a punt from the local lights the FPV wins hands down no doubt, but having a spirited drive through some of our great roads and the FPV is going to suffer. Both have pros and cons just choose which pro and con appeals to you the most.

Good Post....EXACTLY....and very eloquently put.
Cheers, Pickles.

[bozodos]

Go out and buy one and I will line you up in mummys Evo

I would if I had the $, it'd cost less than a GT-R to own too

[701let]

u obviously have no idea these mag goes know nothing.they didnt even know all the rspec interior changes...they thought it was just a number beside the engine start. Calling the rspec suspension, aftermarket slapstick is a joke. Lookup for your own sake the comprehensive list whats been done. Faaar from aftermarket. And from my experience them saying the R8 doest ride hard is a joke. Even if the test car had the mrc on itd ride hard no matter what setting they tried. In that test the chrysler has by far the sofftest suspension setting when setup and it still went hard in there tests.

Im seriously willing to see results when they actually test the handling of these cars soon. And not some overated opinion from a guy who clearly was fazed by the ugly colour combo and didnt want to give it a chance.

Can see the headline now... "FPV GOES 5SECS FASTER AROUND SYDNEY MOTORPARK....BUT THE HSV WILL GET YOU TO YOUR SHOPPING IN STYLE AND COMFORT"
One of these days theyll do actual reputable testing and reviews which dont embarress us.

Spoken like a true die hard Hsv supporter...